Thread: Carimi, Sanzenbacher playing with 1st team

EDIT:LOL... this was meant for the WR thread....


I'm about fed up with this "no Talent" at reciever crap...

we haven't set the world on fire, sure.... but we've got the tools and we've seen the potential. everyone want's to compare Martz run teams to TGSOT and that's like trying to compare every defense to the 85' bears.

dude... second year in the system and we should be beyond the bumps and bruises that come with learning the Martz offense.

Not to mention there isn't a single reciever in the NFL past OR present that could be successfull in the Turner Offense considering EVEYRONE in the NFL had it figured out and guys even said the KNEW WHAT PLAYS were coming... those couple season's did more to make our recievers look stupid than anyting... and they can't seem to shake that stigma.

how are you going to have ANY success in an offense where the defense doesnt just have a "good idea" where your going to be... they know EXACTLY where your going to be...

I'm not making excuses for Hester's lack of route running ability... it's an issue, but he's getting better. the two things he CAN do is Catch, and make people miss, and does it as well as anyone.

Knox has a penchant for cutting his slant routes short, but what is he? like a 3rd year guy?... He's DAMN good at sideline catches and getting his feet down. not a "go up and get it" guy, but just as good as any other #2 in the league.

everyone is so quick to dismiss good talent because of a shitty offensive system, and then the bumps and bruises that come with learning a new system... let alone one of THE MOST COMPLEX in the league....

for a bunch of "know it alls" bears fans don't seem to know crap...

we don't have the best corps by any means.... but the criticism they get is completely over the top and so beyond unfair it makes me wanna go door to door and MAKE PEOPLE ACTUALLY WATCH Before running their mouth's like they know something....

Yeah, this is not a bad WR group at all although I do question Lovies wisdom when he says that Hester has the talent to be a #1. He may have the paycheck of one but he's still way short of the skills of a #1. The basic core of Hester, Knox and Bennett is good (not great) and getting better. Actually I think Knox has been incredibly productive so far for only having two years experience and to me Bennett has the potential to be the Bears version of Hines Ward. I think those guys a very solid for 3rd and 4th year players.

I wasn't thrilled with the RWill pick up but if the goal was getting a bigger guy in the mix who knows Martz's scheme and route tree then he was the obvious choice. The fact that he was willing to come in on a low cost one year deal didn't hurt his attractiveness either. I think the real bargain in this group may turn out to be Sanzenbacher though. He has the hands and the quickness and when it comes right down to it, like RWill, he adds something we didn't have before. That Wes Welker/Brandon Stokley kind of guy who's annoying as hell because he keeps the chains moving and he's hard to defense.

We may not have as good a group as the Packers but were better off than in 2010 and we're improving so I'll be content with that.

I'm excited that Bennett will get more PT (as per Martz). Add in a second year of being used to the system and perhaps a surprise or two with Williams and Sanz. I even believe that there will be more growth and development halfway through the season.

I'll give you guys that... Hester isn't your typical #1, but if we'd just play him in the slot he could KILL defenses. you can't put a LB or Safety on him... not one on one...

but for a guy who never really learned to be a WR, to come in and be at least a #2 or #3 where some guys come in as 2nd and 3rd round picks and don't ever crack a starting line up...

so he's not winning votes for a pro bowl at the position obviously, but he still commands respect from defenses and that alone is worth a LOT at this level. weather he lights up the stat sheet or not.... teams have said, they game plan for him, his speed, and what he can do once he gets his hands on one....

I'll take that any day of the week. #1 or not.

Originally Posted by GrizzlyBear91

I'll give you guys that... Hester isn't your typical #1, but if we'd just play him in the slot he could KILL defenses. you can't put a LB or Safety on him... not one on one...

but for a guy who never really learned to be a WR, to come in and be at least a #2 or #3 where some guys come in as 2nd and 3rd round picks and don't ever crack a starting line up...

so he's not winning votes for a pro bowl at the position obviously, but he still commands respect from defenses and that alone is worth a LOT at this level. weather he lights up the stat sheet or not.... teams have said, they game plan for him, his speed, and what he can do once he gets his hands on one....

I'll take that any day of the week. #1 or not.

And that is exactly what they should be doing instead of all this nonsense about his competing for the #1 spot. Using him at WR is about value not playing time or number of times he's targeted. Let him concentrate on his return game where he is an all-pro and future HOF'er and use him to get mismatches in the slot. Even as a decoy he's got a huge amount of value when lined up there. He is probably the one guy who when lined up at any pass receiving spot actually worries defenses. You have to account for him.

I really wish Roy Williams was our number one or 2 guy, and Knox were our number 3. i just don't have faith in his route running, BUT, unlike Roy, he's still young and hasn't hit his ceiling and bounced off the floor. As it stands, I can't believe more people are overlooking Bennett; he's been the guy we go to on 3rd, and if i had to pick one at this point, it'd be him. Even tho I'm with the rest of you on our starting receivers looking like some variation of Bennett then Knox, Hester and Willliams, I'd be stoked as hell if Sanzenbacher somehow became that gem that JA lucks into every year (If Paea and Carimi are great, I doubt many here will be surprised, and I hope to god Conte doesn't have much playing time, for that'd mean Harris or Wright are injured)

I'd actually like to see a healthy amount of all 4 of our top guys.

Williams
Knox
Hester
Bennett

not neccesarily in that order... but those 4. put a number on it if you want, but Roy's attitude aside... we did just get a little better IMO. I'm willing to bet a change of scenery + Jay Cutler throwing the ball + being back in an offense in which he was very succesfull = Roy Williams being worth what we paid for him.

Originally Posted by GrizzlyBear91

I'd actually like to see a healthy amount of all 4 of our top guys.

Williams
Knox
Hester
Bennett

not neccesarily in that order... but those 4. put a number on it if you want, but Roy's attitude aside... we did just get a little better IMO. I'm willing to bet a change of scenery + Jay Cutler throwing the ball + being back in an offense in which he was very succesfull = Roy Williams being worth what we paid for him.

That's what worries me. It was the league minimum wasn't it?

Originally Posted by Defense_is_our_Forte

I really doubt that they'll trot out a rookie at LT against players like John Abraham, Clay Matthews, and Jared Allen. Right tackle might be a good idea to start so Camiri can get his feet wet. Later on in the year you will see Camiri get more time at LT but I have doubts that he will be the opening day LT seeing as Frank "Oh-my-god" Omiyale is still on the team in case Webb or Camiri can't cut it.

Any talent at the WR position will be a welcome change for the Bears. If Sanzenbacher has talent, who are we to say he can't make it.

Dane Sanzenbacher reminded me more of the Wes Welker-type of WR. He won't burn you deep down field, but he runs good, crisp routes and can block. Those traits are why he was a solid, steady player for Ohio State for the past 2-3 years. He was arguably the best receiver the Buckeyes had.