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    This Will Intrigue; 53-Man Roster Odds.......

    53-man Roster Odds

    by Mike Mueller on Aug 9, 2011 11:59 AM CDT

    It's time to play the percentages. Who's in, who's out? If we look back at the last 3 years we can gauge what this coaching staff might do with respect to how many guys stick at each position. The last 3 seasons Bears' rosters coming out of camp are at these links: 2008, 2009, 2010.


    Here we go...

    Quarterbacks (3):

    Jay Cutler, Caleb Hanie, & Nathan Enderle: 100%

    Trevor Vittatoe: 0%

    Running Backs (3 or 4):

    Matt Forte & Marion Barber: 100%

    Chester Taylor & Khalil Bell: 50%

    Will Ta'ufo'ou, Eddie Williams, Harvey Unga: 20%

    The Bears kept 4 running backs & no fullbacks last year. Wolfe was a special teamer only though. He's gone, so will they keep 4 again, or maybe try and keep a fullback to play H-back instead of having a TE play that roll this season? Is Unga a running back, a fullback, or could he be an H-back? Will he finally play? With Barber's arrival, I think Chester Taylor is gone, because he doesn't play special teams. The preseason games will flesh a lot of this out. Keep an eye on who is playing a lot of special teams. Watch where the fullbacks & Unga are lining up and how they are being used to get an idea of what the coaches might be thinking: 4 RBs or 3 RBs + 1 FB/H-back.

    Tight Ends (3):

    Desmond Clark, Matt Spaeth, Kellen Davis: 100%

    Andre Smith, Kyle Adams: 5%

    The top 3 are set. The Bears kept 4 tight ends last year, but Dez Clark was inactive most of the season. In Martz's offense, a TE is typically used as an H-back lining up on the line and in the back field. Without 4 good TE candidates on the roster, will the H-back roll go to Dez Clark or maybe the Bears keep a fullback instead to do those duties. We'll know more after a couple of preseason games. If Smith (an undrafted free agent out of Virginia Tech) or Adams (UFA Purdue) look good, then they are a definite practice squad candidates, but long shots at the 53-man roster.

    Wide Receivers (6):

    Devin Hester, Johnny Knox, Roy Williams, Earl Bennett, Sam Hurd: 100%

    Dane Sanzenbacher: 80%

    Andy Fantuz, Onrea Jones: 5%

    Kris Adams, Jimmy Young: 2%

    Travis Cobb: 0%

    Since I believe the Bears will only keep 3 TEs, this gives them the ability to keep 6 wide receivers. Mike Martz, who obviously is wielding more power these days, grins widely at this. The top 5 seem set (barring injury of course) and Sanzenbacher is making a lot of news with his ability out of the slot & knowledge of the offense. If he impresses in preseason games & shows off some special teams chops, then he'll move to the 100% column. The rest of them really need to shine to make the team. Except for Fantuz, all 3 of the young receivers are practice squad candidates.

    Offensive Line (8):

    J'Marcus Webb, Roberto Garza, Chris Spencer, Gabe Carimi, Frank Omiyale: 100%

    Chris Williams, Lance Louis: 95%

    Edwin Williams: 90%

    Johan Asiata, Levi Horn, Alex Linnenkohl: 5%

    J.C. Brignone, Josh Davis, Mike Lamphear, Ricky Henry: 0%

    Webb, Garza, Spencer, & Carimi are locks. Spencer signed a 2 year deal, and even if he doesn't start; having a veteran full-time center on the roster seems obvious to me. As the entrenched swing tackle and having a modest salary and even some guard ability, Omiyale has got to be a lock. Williams & Louis are starters for now, but C-Will had a disastrous preseason and start to the season last year. If he looks just as bad in the 1st couple of preseason games I would not be shocked if he's a surprise cut. Remember Josh Beekman last year? Louis looked good enough last preseason to open the season as a starter. He couldn't play through minor injuries though. If he gets nicked up again and starts to sit out, then watch out.

    Edwin Williams looks like the 8th lineman to me. The Bears have kept 8 offensive lineman the last 3 seasons, so he makes the most sense as a backup center & guard. Carimi, Webb, & Omiyale are the tackles, and Chris Williams in a real pinch could be the 4th, so I don't see the Bears keeping Horn as a backup tackle. Asiata is a guard but is behind the rest right now. The others are just camp bodies, and practice squad targets.

    That's 23 or 24 players on offense. I would think they would definitely keep 24; the last 2 seasons they've kept 24 on offense & 26 on defense. Look for that to continue. Either they keep 4 running backs or 4 TEs or 7 receivers to get to 24. I'm betting on them going with 4 running backs, with the 4th being a fullback or Unga.


    Specialists (3):

    Patrick Mannelly, Robbie Gould, Adam Podlesh: 100%

    Spencer Lanning: 0%

    Even though Lanning has looked great by all reports, the Bears didn't pay Podlesh all that money to just cut him.


    Defensive Line (9):

    Julius Peppers, Israel Idonije, Corey Wooton, Stephen Paea, Matt Toeaina, Anthony Adams, Henry Melton: 100%

    Amobi Okoye: 95%

    Vernon Gholston: 50%

    Tank Tyler, Mario Addison, Nick Reed: 10%

    Jordan Miller, Jake Laptad: 1%

    Marcus Harrison: ZERO %

    The Bears have kept 9 defensive lineman the past 3 seasons. With the amount of importance they put on the position, look for that to continue. The 7 100% guys are obvious. Okoye has impressed, so as long as he looks capable in the preseason, they'll keep him. Getting the 9th guy isn't so easy. The Bears would need another Defensive End if that is their top 8. Gholston would fit the bill, but he's been getting a lot of negative reports from camp. The rest of the guys have an opening. We'll have to watch closely to see if anyone steps up in the preseason. If no one does, then the Bears could scour the waiver wire for a veteran DE to fill out the roster. Marcus Harrison is a lazy, out-of-shape sloth. He's as good as gone.

    Linebackers (6):

    Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs, Nick Roach, Brian Iwuh: 100%

    J.T. Thomas: 95%

    Tanner Antle, Tressor Baptiste, Dom DeCicco, Chris Johnson, Deron Minor, Patrick Trahan: 2%

    Top 4 are set, and all J.T. Thomas (assuming he stays healthy) has to do is show anything on special teams and he should make the team. I think the Bears will go out and sign another linebacker to get to 6. The rest of those names are camp bodies at worst, practice squad candidates at best. Who's the backup MLB? Hillenmeyer is gone. Roach was not capable at it, and he's a starter now. Is it Iwuh? Or maybe Totupu? Tinoisamoa? Or a vet cut later in the preseason?

    Cornerbacks (6):

    Charles Tillman, Corey Graham, D.J. Moore: 100%

    Zack Bowman, Tim Jennings, Joshua Moore: 95%

    Antareis Bryan, Mike Holmes, Ryan Jones: 0%

    The only drama is if the Bears change their mind on Hayden or go get someone else. Has Joshua Moore progressed enough to warrant another year on the roster? We'll find out in the preseason games. The Bears have kept 6 corners the last 2 seasons, so I expect them to do that again.

    Safeties (4):

    Major Wright, Chris Harris, Chris Conte: 100%

    Craig Steltz: 95%

    Winston Venable, Anthony Walters: 5%

    Steltz is what he is-Dane's favorite NFL player. He's got some experience & special teams ability. Conte has impressed so far. The Bears have kept 5 safeties the past 2 seasons (11 DBs total), so I'm a bit shocked they don't have another veteran in camp. Josh Bullocks is still out there! Venable & Walters have a shot at making the team looking at the numbers at the position.

    That's 25 defensive players with the numbers I have above, and only 52 total. Is their room for a 10th defensive lineman? a 5th safety? a 7th corner? or a 7th linebacker? Or do the Bears go with 25 on defense and let Martz take another guy for offense to get to the full 53-man roster? We'll see
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    We usually start this process on our own after the first two or three preseason games but with as many spots pretty well entrenched as there are this year it should be an easier job even this early in the game. I picked this up from a different site and thought it would give us a good starting point for opinions and discussions.

    Have at it guys. Let's here who you think makes the 53-man roster and why. Who we might keep around on the practice squad and why. And finally those totally unworthy of making in out of training camp. If we keep posting every day or two this should stay near the top of the board throughout preseason.

    Let's see how close we come to predicting the actual 53-man roster and practice squad.
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    I'll start by tackling the RB's. I disagree with this guy. I think that because we won't keep 4 TE's this year that we'll keep 4 RB's and 1 FB.

    Forte and Barber are locks that much I agree. (2)

    Between Taylor and Bell I'll go with Bell. He's cheaper, he's added weight (and supposedly power) and I think we'll be able to use him on ST's whereas Taylor doesn't. Advantage Bell. (1)

    Will Ta'ufo'ou, Eddie Williams, and Harvey Unga. I don't see Unga as a FB, I see him as a power RB so I'm gonna put him in a class of his own. He's the guy we need to have for short yardage and goaline situations if Barber is hurt. He's not a bad pass catcher either and I think he could also be used on ST and that may well be his saving grace. (1)

    Ta'ufo'uo and Williams are more the true FB types who will be lead blockers and catch the occasional pass. I'm really not sure which one will make the roster since both were in camp last year and both are back. I guess I'll go with Ta'ufo'uo because I like the way those Polynesian guys play, except of course Manu. (1)

    So that's 4 RB's; Forte, Barber, Bell, and Unga and 1 FB; either Tofu or EWill the 2nd. = 5 total

    Those are my earliest predictions aside for the QB's which of course are a given unless somebody gets injured.
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    If Martz had no confidence in Dez Clark last year, makes me wonder why they'd keep him. Yeah they just signed him but that doesn't automatically mean they keep him. If Unga is big enough and tough enough, the 2 fullbacks might be gone, that way they can still keep Bell. If they keep a pure FB, then Unga has to beat out Bell ( who has shown some flashes ). I don't really have a good grasp on how good Unga is or isn't. Guess we'll find out on pre-season.
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    My 53-man roster would look like this:

    QB: Cutler, Hanie, Enderle
    WR: Bennett, Williams, Knox, Hester, Hurd, Sanzenbacher
    TE: Davis, Spaeth, Clark
    RB: Frote, Barber, Bell
    FB: Unga, Williams
    OL: Carimi, Webb, Spencer, Garza, Williams, Omiyale, Williams, Louis
    DL: Peppers, Izzy, Okoye, Gholston, Adams, Melton, Big Toe, Paea, Wootton
    LB: Ulracher, Briggs, Roach, Thomas, Iwuh
    CB: Tillman, Bowman, Moore, Graham, Jennings, Moore
    S: Harris, Wright, Steltz, Conte, Bullocks
    ST: Mannelly, Gould, Podlesh

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    If Martz had no confidence in Dez Clark last year, makes me wonder why they'd keep him. Yeah they just signed him but that doesn't automatically mean they keep him. If Unga is big enough and tough enough, the 2 fullbacks might be gone, that way they can still keep Bell. If they keep a pure FB, then Unga has to beat out Bell ( who has shown some flashes ). I don't really have a good grasp on how good Unga is or isn't. Guess we'll find out on pre-season.
    I don't think they'd keep just two TE's this year when they kept four last year. Both Davis and Spaeth are inline blocking TE's whereas Des can play in an H-back role as well. I think we need the flexibility that he gives us both as a blocker and as a receiver.

    With one less TE the question is what spot will get the extra offensive player? WR, RB or FB? I think that may come down to Sanzenbacher, Bell, Unga, and one of the FB's and whoever can play ST well makes the roster.
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    Wait, OMFGWTFAMIDOING?!?!? is a lock to stay on the team over "unproven talent"? Isn't that what he is?
    The trouble is that unless we pick up vet OT help before the season starts he's the only reserve OT we've got who has any game experience. Somebody has to backup at OT and if CWill starts at OG Omiyale is about all there is. That's the price we pay for not scoring any OT's or OG's in FA. I don't like it either but it is what it is.
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    The only two names that are on the bubble and worth mentioning to me would be Harrison, because what a dissapointment, and Gholston, because given a second chance, it doesn't seem to have made a difference.

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    The only two names that are on the bubble and worth mentioning to me would be Harrison, because what a dissapointment, and Gholston, because given a second chance, it doesn't seem to have made a difference.
    Yeah so far we haven't heard Gholston spoken of in glowing terms by either Rod or Lovie. He still stands a chance though as thin as we are at DE but Harrison is a goner. If they didn't have him on a diet to lose weight they would probably already have cut him to save on training table expenses.
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