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    Greg Gabriel's Directors Report on the Bears Offensive Line................

    Can the Bears' offensive line be a strength in 2011?

    A former scout's take on how the unit fared at a recent practice in Bourbonnais. Greg Gabriel
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    Yesterday, the NFP’s Matt Bowen and I attended the Bears practice session down in Bourbonnais, Illinois. As you read earlier, Bowen spent much of his time studying the wide receivers while I looked at the offensive line. After last season, many people would say that one of the most important things the Bears needed to do this offseason was upgrade their offensive line. Last week, when they decided not to re-sign Olin Kreutz, many felt they were going in the opposite direction. People must forget the Bears’ first pick in the draft was tackle Gabe Carimi from Wisconsin, who I felt was a steal for the Bears being able to get him that late in the first round. Still, they didn’t sign a veteran O-lineman until 10 days ago when they signed center/guard Chris Spencer, who was a five-year starter in Seattle.

    It’s obvious to see that the Bears are going with homegrown talent – players that they have drafted and developed. For the last few years, general manager Jerry Angelo has felt that the Bears needed to do a better job in developing their offensive line draft choices. In order to do that you have to have a line coach who buys into the theory. Mike Tice does, and he is very influential on whom the Bears draft on the O-line.

    For instance, last year before the draft, Tice went down to Texas and spent a day with J’Marcus Webb and came back convinced that Webb could be a player in the NFL. It was because of this the Bears drafted Webb in the 7th round in my last draft with the club. Tice also had a big part in drafting Carimi this year. Carimi fits what Tice is looking for in an offensive tackle: size, strength and nastiness. If the Bears are going to develop their own draft choices, they have to play, because the only way you get better is with playing experience. With that said, let’s take a look at some of the core players on this year’s Bears offensive line.

    J’Marcus Webb
    J’Marcus Webb's play improved as the 2010 season progressed.

    The first thing I noticed yesterday while at camp was how much bigger Webb is in the upper body as compared to last year. While his weight is about the same at 333 pounds, the muscle mass in his chest and arms is clearly more defined. Webb was a raw talent having played most of his college career at West Texas A&M. But before that he was a 4-star recruit at the University of Texas and got major playing time as a true freshman. When Webb got to the Bears, the natural talent was obvious, but he was technique poor. Because of his talent he was given the starting right tackle spot early in the season. While he struggled in his first few games he showed improvement as the season wore on and by playoff time he had become a very steady player.

    Tice felt that Webb was a natural left tackle and moved him over to the left side on the first day of camp. What I saw yesterday was a much more polished player who did a better job keeping his back straight and staying in balance, could cut off wide speed and has an extremely strong punch.At just 23 years of age, Webb should be a fixture at left tackle for some time.

    Gabe Carimi

    Carimi was a 4-year starter at left tackle while at Wisconsin, but Tice has him starting on the right side now. This is not unusual in the NFL. Carimi has great size and strength and plays with natural bend. Last spring when I broke down Carimi before the draft, I said “there are some tackles in this draft that may have a little better athleticism and may pass block a little better than Carimi but no one has a better combination of run blocking, pass protection and nastiness.” After watching practice yesterday I saw nothing that would change my opinion. Carimi is going to be a very good pro…he just needs playing time to hone his skills.

    Chris Williams

    Williams was drafted to play tackle and has the athleticism to play outside, but he is clearly a better player inside. Last year he had to learn the position on the fly having been moved to guard after the season was underway. Having never played the position as a pro he was a work in progress and did struggle at times. Williams is very strong and athletic but can have a tendency to play too tall and drop his hands. When this happens he gives up his body and can be driven back. Yesterday, I looked to see if his technique had improved and it was clear to see that he was playing with better bend and quicker hands. This technique improvement should make him a solid guard, and at 6-6 and 320 he has more size than many guards in the league.

    Roberto Garza
    Roberto Garza will be looked upon to fill the leadership void left by Olin Kreutz's departure.

    Garza is the vet of the group and as such has to pick up the leadership role that Kreutz had. While Garza won’t be the leader that Kreutz was he has the traits to have a strong influence on the younger offensive linemen both verbally and by example. Garza has been a reliable vet and has been a starter for years. He has some experience at center when he played for Atlanta and has always taken reps at the position while with the Bears. He is getting more comfortable at the position by the day and gives the Bears more bulk and power at the position.

    Lance Louis

    If there is a player with a question mark in the starting five it’s Lance Louis. Louis started the first four games last year but was inconsistent and replaced. It seemed that the game was still a little too big for him a year ago. While he looked great in practice, he didn’t carry it over to game day. So far this year in camp he has looked very good. Louis was a 7th round pick in the 2009 draft out of San Diego State. He was recruited as a tight end but ended up playing tackle in college. There are few guards that have his athleticism, as he ran a sub-4.8 at his pro day. When drafted he was about 305 and now he is a very lean 320 and has kept his speed and athleticism. He is very good adjusting on the move in space and with Williams, gives the Bears maybe the most athletic set of guards in the league. The big question is when the season starts if will he play like he practices. If he falters, the Bears can move Spencer into the center position and put Garza back at right guard.

    Conclusion

    While many around the league will question the Bears offensive line because of their play last year, I feel this is an improved group that has both size and athleticism. Players like Webb and Williams have gained valuable experience and with this being their second year in Mike Martz’s system along with Tice, the group should be a much more cohesive unit. Don’t be surprised if the offensive line becomes a strong point on this team. We will find out if I am correct over the next few months
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    Thanks for posting this, Soul. Read this earlier today.

    It sounds a little optimistic to me yet its encouraging too. I doubt very much that the OL will prove to me a "strong point" (much more likely for the DL imo), but I'll be very happy if it is just "acceptable". I'll settle for that. We will see how the first couple regular season games go...fingers crossed.

    I hope Tice ends up playing Spencer at C once he learns the system, moves Garza back to RG (which helps stabilize a rookie at RT and should be a solid run-blocking right side), and allows CWill & LLouis to battle for LG with the loser being a decent backup. That is the best scenario I can see out of what we have now. I still think we need a veteran upgrade over Omiyale as a backup OT. We are awfully thin on OL right now if an injury occurs.

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    Well there you are folks. The shared opinions of the Bears former director of college scouting. One thing he says is deadly accurate. If this is an improved group we will be finding out before too much more time has passed. With as little opportunity as these got to practice together before now, and with a new OC quarterbacking the line, these guys will need as manhy snaps in the preseason as they can get.

    And let's hope they stay uninjured because there isn't much if any depth behind these guys. Unless we're able to pick up some vet depth of the waiver wire our vet backups will be the new guys Chris Spencer and Frank "omigod he's coming" Omiyale. Not very comforting is it?

    But Gabriel is right when he says that in order to build a good Oline you have to draft talent, coach them up, and let them play together. There is no other way so this year we'll find out if that way of going about things finally works. We enter the season with a line made up of two first round picks, two seventh round picks, and a free agent OG playing OC for the first time in his career. If Tice can get what he needs out of these guys I'm all for canonizing him after the season. Then he becomes St Michael of Tice!

    In Gabriel's professional opinion these guys all came in the door with pretty good pedigrees, at least on paper, and maybe that's something that we should find encouraging. Personally I think it may be a frustrating first month or two but if they can play the way that Gabriel believes they can eventually we'll have built our Oline. They're big, young and strong and they just might be the anchor of the offense for the next decade or we may be back to the drawing board again next March. Like Gabriel says, we'll know soon enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPBears68 View Post
    Thanks for posting this, Soul. Read this earlier today.

    It sounds a little optimistic to me yet its encouraging too. I doubt very much that the OL will prove to me a "strong point" (much more likely for the DL imo), but I'll be very happy if it is just "acceptable". I'll settle for that. We will see how the first couple regular season games go...fingers crossed.

    I hope Tice ends up playing Spencer at C once he learns the system, moves Garza back to RG (which helps stabilize a rookie at RT and should be a solid run-blocking right side), and allows CWill & LLouis to battle for LG with the loser being a decent backup. That is the best scenario I can see out of what we have now. I still think we need a veteran upgrade over Omiyale as a backup OT. We are awfully thin on OL right now if an injury occurs.
    No problem brother. I think articles like this and the one predicting the 53-man roster are great for debates amongst our members.

    I think he's a bit optimistic too but he's no longer on the Bears payroll and since they let him go he's really owes them nothing. Considering that he's probably giving as unbiased an opinion as possible for a guy who's still probably a Bear fan. Also probably because he was instrumental in scouting most of these guys and provided the pre-draft reports the Bears depended on to draft them.

    I'm in complete agreement with you on the rest of what you say MP. I'd like to see Spencer take over at OC before too long and then move Garza back to RG. He and Carimi will provide the run blocking we look for on that side and now that we have a very good blocking TE in Spaeth to team with them Forte should get some nice running lanes to the right side.

    If Louis is all that Tice believes he is and such an elite pass blocker he may well be able to outplay CWill at LG and then we can use CWill as a swing OT and backup OG. Since that's the spot that OMG will be holding down to begin with I think we'd all be happy with that outcome. I think we will find at least one more vet Olineman before the season starts but he won't be counted on as more than a backup. It's clear that this is the direction the team intends to go until it's proven not to work. Hopefully for Cutler's sake that won't happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    No problem brother. I think articles like this and the one predicting the 53-man roster are great for debates amongst our members.

    I think he's a bit optimistic too but he's no longer on the Bears payroll and since they let him go he's really owes them nothing. Considering that he's probably giving as unbiased an opinion as possible for a guy who's still probably a Bear fan. Also probably because he was instrumental in scouting most of these guys and provided the pre-draft reports the Bears depended on to draft them.

    I'm in complete agreement with you on the rest of what you say MP. I'd like to see Spencer take over at OC before too long and then move Garza back to RG. He and Carimi will provide the run blocking we look for on that side and now that we have a very good blocking TE in Spaeth to team with them Forte should get some nice running lanes to the right side.

    If Louis is all that Tice believes he is and such an elite pass blocker he may well be able to outplay CWill at LG and then we can use CWill as a swing OT and backup OG. Since that's the spot that OMG will be holding down to begin with I think we'd all be happy with that outcome. I think we will find at least one more vet Olineman before the season starts but he won't be counted on as more than a backup. It's clear that this is the direction the team intends to go until it's proven not to work. Hopefully for Cutler's sake that won't happen.
    Yeah, I can live with the above scenario and hopefully Cutler can too.

    Water under the bridge, but I'm still a little disappointed that this FO didn't see fit to grab one more (starting quality) OT/OG out of FA when they had the chance.

    BTW, we need another backup LB too.

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    Good positive article but I think for this year average is a huge step forward. I think they can become above average towards the end of the season providing all these things bear out.

    I think my only misgiving is say that they indeed become good. Think they are going to continue to add talent or dumpster dive? That is what concerns me.
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    Solid article as always Soulman. Last season was up and down for the O-line, especially early in the year. After the coaches found a solid starting five at the O-line, we saw a change for the better and it show in the passing game later in the season. I liked the progression that Webb made last season and with Webb, Camiri, and Williams having set positions going into the season, I think this core will surprise us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by short faced bear View Post
    Good positive article but I think for this year average is a huge step forward. I think they can become above average towards the end of the season providing all these things bear out.

    I think my only misgiving is say that they indeed become good. Think they are going to continue to add talent or dumpster dive? That is what concerns me.
    If 80% of these guys pan out as expected we should be able to draft well enough to upgrade the one who doesn't but if only 40% of them pan out we're back to looking for vet talent in the offseason to plug the holes. For the rest of this year I think all we'll see in additions are waiver wire vets for depth. They're gonna play these guys until it either works or it falls apart on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defense_is_our_Forte View Post
    Solid article as always Soulman. Last season was up and down for the O-line, especially early in the year. After the coaches found a solid starting five at the O-line, we saw a change for the better and it show in the passing game later in the season. I liked the progression that Webb made last season and with Webb, Camiri, and Williams having set positions going into the season, I think this core will surprise us.
    Glad you enjoyed it. Whenever I have time these days I search for stuff to use as thread starters. Some hit and some don't but generally speaking these NFP articles by Gabriel, Bowen and others are pretty decent and aren't so ultra biased against the Bears like some of the crap posted on ESPN.

    All I can say right now is that I do feel better about the overall plan for the line now that I understand where they want to go with it. I'm cautiously optimistic because the talent seems to be there and Tice is a good coach but expecting great things out of guys with this little experience is expecting a lot as far as the Oline goes. We can all keep our fingers crossed though because a lot of this seasons success rests on these guys.
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