Thread: Is Martz Playing Head Games With Hanie?........

Boy David Haugh and I must be blood brothers or twin sons of different mothers when it comes to this topic. I think he's about as close to the heart of this matter as it gets. Martz typically behaves like the arrogant bastard he is even when answering a reporters questions and to me his method of developing young QB's absolutely sucks.

Martz defends the lousy efforts of his Oline and says only 3 of those 9 sacks were on them but what about the numerous times your QB's were pressured into having to throw before the play developed. He gives the Oline an out and agrees that no changes are needed yet he scolds his #2 QB like a school boy by demoting him for a day. One fvckin' day! That wasn't correcting flaws in Hanie's game, it was punishment for disappointing the "Mighty Martz"!

Just yesterday Lovie defended Martz's approach to motivation Knox and Hanie and where his methods may work with a WR/KR who has many ways, like a 70yd kickoff return, to help restore his confidence and proves he belongs a 2nd string QB has only one. To be prepared to replace the starter if and when that opportunity presents itself and to have the confidence of your coaches and teamates that you can do it. That doesn't happen when your coach demotes you after you struggle a bit in a meaningless preseason game behind a line that plays like the Bears line did on Saturday night.

It's pretty clear to everyone who isn't blind, deaf, and dumb that for whatever reason Martz has a problem with Hanie and I can't figure out why especially after Haine saved Martz's ass and face (virtually the same thing) by nearly pulling out a win in the NFCC Game after Martz called for Collins when everyone watching knew that was doomed to failure. Add to that the failure of his guys Manu and Chester Taylor to be anything more than expensive dead weight last years and you have to ask why anyone above the equipment manager even listens to the guy.

Tell me why Mike Martz has so much sway over personnel decisions when he's yet to prove that he's been right even once? Tell me why Mike Martz has so much influence over gameplans when until Lovie and Tice interceded last season they were mostly pathectic failures? Tell me why Lovie contradicts Mike Tice about his position on J'Marcus Webb's self-confessed "lack of intensity" last Saturday night but supports every thing that Martz belches out of his mouth about the offense? Am I the only one who sees this shit and asks WTF is up with this?

Caleb Hanie is an excellent #2 QB for the Chicago Bears and it's driving me crazy that Mike Martz refuses to see that and give the guy an even break. I really hope we can hold on to Hanie after he becomes an UFA after this season but I'd rather see him succeed elswhere than to watch him fail under Martz with his f'n attitude about him. I hate to see the Bears lose as much as anyone else but I really hope that this offense continues to struggle under Martz and that this is his last year with the Bears. I'll never be convinced he's right for this team.

Originally Posted by motownbear

only in chitown everyone gives a crap about what is going on with the number two qb lol I think we have bigger issues on this team

I agree with you mo but if you listen to what JA is saying those issue will only be addressed with whoever we have on the roster now. He insists that we won't be bringing in any vet Oline help so the guys you saw playing Saturday and their backups are the guys who'll be protecting Cutler again this year as he drops back to pass. That being the case I personally I think the statement by Haugh that I posted below is one of the biggest issues we have.

"Anybody who thinks the Bears' backup quarterback doesn't matter because of Jay Cutler's durability either spent last season in Siberia or had dinner plans last Saturday night".

If Cutler doesn't hold up to the punishment who plays? The guy who proved in January that he was very capable of running this offense or Martz's new fair haired boy Nathan Enderle? What mystifies me is that both Cutler and Hanie have good mobility and can make plays with their feet and from what I've seen so far Enderle appears to be a statue in the mold of Jonathan Quinn so what in the blue hell does Martz see as being the benefit of that limitation behind this Oline?

Originally Posted by motownbear

I would say whoever Martz feels more comfortable with. He is playing for a contract extension so the wrong move is his ass and noone elses. Lovie and Tice got extensions so they are safe.

Name me a team that has a stud backup qb to a highly paid starting qb. When that starts happening then I will give a shit about back up qb.

If JA is that arrogant about the oline there is nothing I can do about it but hope our defense can propel us to some wins.

Mo, never let it be said that as much hope that I have for Caleb Hanie as our #2 QB that I won't present another slant on the story.

Here's one.

Hey, Bears media: It’s Caleb Hanie, not the Second Coming

BY JOE COWLEY jcowley@suntimes.com August 17, 2011 8:24PM


Offensive coordinator Mike Martz says that Caleb Hanie (above) will be the Bears’ backup quarterback, “unless Caleb’s arm falls off.” | Charles Rex Arbogast~AP


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Updated: August 18, 2011 12:05PM


BOURBONNAIS, Ill. — Everybody loves the backup quarterback. I get it. But we’re past love when it comes to Caleb Hanie and a majority of the Bears media lately. The stalking laws must be different in Bourbonnais than in other places because when Hanie speaks these days, there aren’t enough recorders, cameras and smiles of obsession to go around.

Quick reminder: It’s Caleb Hanie.

So after offensive coordinator Mike Martz dismounted his very feminine-looking orange bicycle (LMFAO!!!!) before practice Wednesday to talk all things Bears offense, what was the first topic? (Is it possible that he's gay? Does he have suspicious ear piercings, have a heart tattoo that says love Lance, and wear his reading glasses on a jeweled spec chain too?) j/k

No. 12, and the treatment he’s been receiving in camp this week.

After Hanie — fresh off a 56.8 quarterback rating in the victory against the Buffalo Bills on Saturday — watched his second-string reps handed to rookie Nathan Enderle on Monday, it was treated as if the coaching staff had chopped off Hanie’s pinkie toe as punishment. (Don't give Martz any ideas)

On Tuesday, Hanie was given his workload back as the No. 2, and he responded by throwing three interceptions.

On Wednesday, it was damage control, starring Martz.

Martz: ‘Nothing has changed’

Was Monday’s message to punish Hanie?

‘‘No, we don’t do that,’’ Martz said. (Liar, liar, pants on fire) ‘‘No, it was a combination of two things. He struggled a little bit on Saturday, and whenever quarterbacks do that, you try to give them a day to kind of sit back and kind of regroup. Most quarterbacks go through this. He didn’t have a real good outing, but he’s fine.

‘‘The other part of it, Nate did a real good job in the game. So we wanted to know a little bit more about Nate. So each week, he’ll get one day with the twos, and, of course, Caleb will get some snaps with the ones. So nothing has changed.’’

Asked what he spoke with Hanie about specifically after the Saturday showing, Martz said, ‘‘Just what we normally do in camp. There’s nothing special about it. He didn’t play as well as I’d hoped he would Saturday. But Caleb is fine; he’s our No. 2. He’s just got to clean some things up.’’

Obviously dissatisfied with those answers, reporters then asked Martz if there was a scenario in which Enderle enters the regular season as the No. 2.

‘‘Not unless Caleb’s arm fall off,’’ Martz replied. (Watch out for those arm tackles Caleb)

Could you imagine the media scrum to rescue Hanie’s fallen arm? To try to be the first to reattach it? (Not if I get their first they won't)

Another quick reminder: It’s Caleb Hanie.

The bigger question the Bears need to be asking themselves is: How did they get into a situation in which they’re still $30 million under the salary cap and are even having a discussion about Hanie vs. Enderle for the No. 2 spot? (Mo, this guy talk to you lately, LOL)

There’s no doubt that starting quarterback Jay Cuter is the franchise. Even in practice Wednesday, it was easy to see which quarterback is Cutler and which two aren’t.
If Cutler goes down for a significant amount of time, does it even matter if it’s Hanie or Enderle? No. It will be a lost season. (That I agree with)

That’s why the Bears should have had a plan in place to address the depth at quarterback as soon as the final seconds ran off the clock in the NFC Championship Game in January.
If they missed the memo then, well, how about when they realized that center Olin Kreutz wasn’t coming back and there would be an offensive line to rebuild? (Jerry doesn't read his memo's when they're about the offense. That's Martz's job!)

How about a veteran backup QB?

‘‘Remember now, of the five positions, four of them are at different positions or new,’’ Martz said. ‘‘We didn’t have the time in the offseason to get these guys grounded in it, the footwork and that kind of stuff that you do.’’ (Or then again maybe it's that old LOFT factor that 4th developed)

That’s why you insulate yourself even more with veteran quarterback depth. Getting the line to jell in such a short time is worry enough. Leaving the offense without a parachute in case Cutler goes down is just plain ignorant.

To his credit, Hanie did have a better practice Wednesday, actually throwing the ball to the players on the offensive side of the ball. (That's a good start Caleb)

‘‘I talked to him,’’ Cutler said when asked about Hanie’s psyche. ‘‘I think it really hurt him missing those first six days of camp, not so much physically, but mentally. Just installing and going through the reads on the field.

‘‘It’s one thing to sit in a classroom and see it on the board, see Mike teach it, but to go out and actually experience it is a whole different thing. He had a really good day [Wednesday], so he’s getting back into it.’’ (Well at least Jay supports him)

Jay, it’s Caleb Hanie. (Yeah, but just like the Oline. If that's all ya' got best not fvck with his head huh?)


(PS: Someone buy Martz a different colored bike with a top bar through the frame ok? But tell him he can keep the earings, tattoo and spec chain. They fit his bitchy, faithless, can't be trusted, personality)