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About LinkBacksBecause of JA we lost a good center and now because he wants to be cheap, we may end up losing Forte. We may never know JA maybe getting his ideas from Phillips. I say can them and maybe this team will be better off. A fan can hope.....
Fire Lovie
Promote Tice to OC
Fire all Offensive personnel
Fire Angelo
All of the above (except number 2)
Stay the Course
Because of JA we lost a good center and now because he wants to be cheap, we may end up losing Forte. We may never know JA maybe getting his ideas from Phillips. I say can them and maybe this team will be better off. A fan can hope.....
Without weaponz it's just another airline!
I am here to chew bubble gum and kick butt and I am all out of bubble gum!
He could do it with Kellen Davis if they used him the way Olsen should have been used. Spaeth may have it as an in line blocker able to handle DE's himself but nothing I've seen from Davis this year or last tells me that he can. If Martz is gonna ignore the TE as a pass receiver then they should bring up Andre Smith from the PS. The guy proved in the preseason that he was a monster blocking TE.Originally Posted by motownbear
I was very disappointed when we couldn't get Bates to come to Chicago before we hired Martz. I think he felt he owed an allegiance to Pete Caroll but Pete repaid that by schtumping him earlier this year and I bet he'd love to have the opportunity to work with Cutler again.
The trouble is we'll waste our F'n time screwing around with Martz until he either destroys Cutler or Forte or maybe both before we do anything to remove his ass. I'm just glad he didn't agree to that extension. At least it leaves the decks clear to approach Bates and they should not wait. Do it now and let him know we're interested. I sawe what he and Cutler could do in Denver and that was without the running game or the defense we have here.
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Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
The Martz offense is a thing of beauty with the right players,the problem being,the Bears don't have them.
They have never existed outside of the St. Louis era with Martz.
Odds are,the planets will never align like that again.
So,where does that leave us?
Running an offense without the requisite parts,a patchwork offensive line of journeymen.
Small ineffective WR's,who can't beat press coverage.
A battered QB,in a system he can't flourish in.
An all purpose RB,who waits for a better deal.
In my opinion,the mad genius is about to blow up the lab and his boss along with him.
My thing is, if we keep Martz, Angelo has to go. Why? Because Angelo is NOT getting the offensive parts for Martz to run his system. Conversely, Martz isn't using the parts he has correctly, just running the whole thing into the ground further.
On the one hand, changing offensive coordinators (again) has the likely disadvantage of costing the Bears playoff opportunities for the next year (or 2). On the other, the rule changes the NFL keeps making seem to be favoring offense over defense and special teams. If the Bears are to remain competitive, the Bears are (at some point) going to have to "grow their own" offensive talent. This will mean bringing in people who can develop: a QB, O-lineman, TEs, and WRs. An OC who can utilize the players he has will shorten the downside(downtime?) for the team. If you believe that Martz is not the guy that can do these things, then keeping him after this year is a waste. Win or lose, this applies. In order for the Bears to have a chance to develop their own offensive players, they need to draft offensive talent. (Note: Carimi has been playing well, and is a prime example of what can happen when talent is drafted for the offense)
I guess what I am advocating is the removal of Martz, and, unless Angelo can improve his ability to draft successful talent (particularly on the Offense), then fire him as well.
The result of the season is (to my mind at least) immaterial.
Regarding the (potential) result of the season. The Bears have the toughest early season games of any team in the league. After the first 3 to 5 games the season gets much easier for the Bears. Although the early season injuries are a serious kick in the (proverbial) groin, getting these injuries (hopefully) out of the way early may well translate into a strong run through the middle and late portions of the season. This can put the Bears into playoff contention late with a healthy team that is underestimated. In short, it's too early to give up on the Bears as a playoff team. The only 2 things that matter is: Do the Bears make the playoffs (at least wildcard) and how well they are playing at that time.
Last edited by XaosGorilla; 09-23-2011 at 07:02 AM.
"Professional Armchair Quarterback" and other oxymora.....
This should read "the Martz offense was a thing of beauty", past tense. You're 100% right claymore. It's a ten year old system that's never been as effective outside of St Louis with any other team and in any other era. Martz's biggest problem is that he seems to be stuck in time and either won't or can't make the adjustments needed to make it work with the players he has in 2011. It's not 2001 any longer and we don't play in a dome.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap.
Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
You bring up an excellent point Xaos and it underlines what I've been saying since before we ever hired the guy. We really couldn't have made a worse choice for an OC to match up with a HC like Lovie and a GM like JA. Their philosophy is so much different than that of Martz that it will never work. You can see that in the half assed measures they've used to rebuild the offense.
The tried this in Lovies first year when they hired Terry Shea who ran a similar offensive system and we got buried with it. The only reason it's a little more successful now is because of Cutler at QB and Forte at RB. Take those two away and sub Chad Hutchinson or Jonathan Quinn at QB and Anthony Thomas at RB and see what you get. Shea got run out of town after one year and Martz needs to go after this one.
I know it means installing a new offense again but if they hire Bates they hire a guy who Cutler has already worked with for two years and had his greatest success with him calling plays. The offense that Bates runs is a much better fit for the personnel we have than Martz's will ever be. The only thing that would need to be added is a bigger, taller WR whose name isn't Roy Williams. When Martz goes so does RWill.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap.
Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
Honestly, I feel bad for RWill at this point, just because Martz talked him up WAY too much. Yeah, RWill is a showboater, but it's not like he said we were close to winning the Saints game. i just hope that if all goes wrong (which I would rather be frustrated with a coach that wins than happy after a losing season with a new coach) we find an OC that Lovie doesn't need to slap around between games. Personally, I hope Schottenheimer (NYJ) is available sometime soon. He's worked with Pennington, Favre, Kellen Clemens and Mark Sanchez, and has had mostly efficient offenses with the occasional wrinkle that catches opposing Defenses off guard(look at when he runs the wild cat vs Martz' wild-whateverthehellitis).
we couldnt get Bates cause JA and Lovie were lame ducks and now that the coast is clear they made the offense worse fwiw. Bates figured might as well go with Carrol who signed a long term deal opposed to Lovie only having a job cause owners to cheap to dump contracts
Yeah but he's unemployed now. Still being paid on his Seattle deal I'm sure but he's gotta be looking for his next spot.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap.
Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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