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What we learned GB/Chicago
They're just flat better then the Bears. Other then, maybe, Forte Chicago doesn't have an player on O that could start of GB. And GB has guys on D that could start for the bears D, and ST's. Their deeper to; they were missing starters also, did it look like it to you? I couldn't tell.
Our O. Wow, they might actually be worse then last year; and we supposedly made "improvements". Spencer is no guard, he looked bad. C-Dub cannot pull apparently. Garza got exposed. Omy would have exept he's been exposed for a couple years now they did do a good job of protecting Cutler, but at the expense of destroying Forte; one guy in the chat said it best; it's like Tice can only teach them how to pass block or run block in a given week; their not capable of doing both in said week.
The WR's, there are teams that none of them could be bench players on; and only part players on others. It would be a rare team in the NFL that they could be starters. TE's, I thought we traded Olsend b/c he wasn't Ditka; who did we have on this team that was? Davis? Spaeth? Could you imagine if we had a OC that was creative enough to look at NE and had decided that you can win w/using 2 TE's on O; to both block and use in the passing attack? How the hell did you come up w/a game plan that you gave up the kind of ToP the way they did; how did you come up w/a gameplan that was apparently lets get scores fast or fail so that our D will get beat to crap? Olsen/Davis could have left D's frusterated and confused on what to do. Then again, this OC is still trying to live off 2 decades ago offense that he thinks was more him then the 4+ HoF'rs he had on it.
QB; 3 games in, he's lost all the mechanics he worked all offseason on; he's scared the minute he takes the snap, and his balls are sailing constantly, and he's just tossing the balls anywhere just to get rid of it. He did show his arm/accuracy a few times this game. He did show he has some Rex Grossman in him; w/some horrid plays in the RZ.
RB, Forte looked like shit today; then agian if you get hit the moment you take the ball from the qb, so would any rb in the history of the NFL, Sanders included. He again showed he can play the Faulk role by catching out of the backfield all the same, but it was apparent he was not going to get a lot of looks. The team obviously knew that GB was going to key on him and shut him down; and they did.
Our D. Started slow, finished dead; looked decent through most the middle though. I don't put a lot of blame on them though, the O did nothing but 3 and out's, ToP had to be 2 to 1 for GB. and if you give that Offense that much time they are going to score, and your D is going to get tired. They tried w/2 late TO's but the O had already given up. Again little to no push from the Middle of the DL, again our DB's got burned b/c of it. Again no in game adjustments to create pressure from a LB or DB; definition of insanity...say it w/me now, you know it. Melton is Manderson, he had a good game and is nothing that special. We have and outside rusher on the DL, and 2 playmaking LB's, and one decent corner in Tillman and the rest are crap. This D cannot stop a running game or passing game; and god forbid they see a team like GB that has both. This D is completely predicated on TO's, and teams know it, and the smart ones just teach the players to play it safe, and cover the ball and we'll win. And it's true, our two late TO's came when the game was over. This bend but don't break, breaks if we don't get a TO; and that is a poor gameplan.
This team is 3rd best in this div. and that's only b/c of how completely lousy Minnisota is. The lions are for real; that D and that O combined was put together in a matter of 2-3 years, and make what JA has done in the draft/FA look pathetic. GB is for real; they have talented starters and great depth. I'm sick from watching this game; thank god we get a creampuff in Carolina next week.
Last edited by Riczaj01; 09-25-2011 at 09:25 PM.
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I think you win, but I don't think you'll find Carolina to be as much a 'creampuff' as their record indicates. You may have gotten lucky that Gamble got hurt. I'm thinking he'd give your receivers just enough grief to cause some problems.
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Don't need a top notch db to give our wr's trouble. He won't be missed...you've actually made me more despressed, go drink a bottle of cheese flavored saki and die.
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You mention DET putting together a decent team in 2-3 years. GB is the third-youngest team in the NFL.
Which all points to Jerry Angelo and his ineptitude.
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13 rushing yards on 12 attempts.
Worst rushing yardage since 1956.
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...5611250nyg.htm
12 yards on 30 attempts in that game....55 years ago.
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Don't know if we should blame Martz for not trying just admit that trying is pointless b/c the OL is so pathetic at it. We all knew they tried to build an O around Martz's style, and we all knew they didn't have the personnel, and ATL(1-2) was in fact a false positive as I had suggested; this is going to be a long year.
I agree Mats this is an inditement on JA. What is so troubling is the heir apparent is the guy that built the Sea team....how comforting is that?
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We learned that the Bears did not learn a damn thing from the NFC Championship game
We learned that the Bears are worse than last year
We learned that the Packers are better than the Bears
We learned that the Packers are better than they were last year
We learned that the Bears will lose to the same team for what must be a record four times in a year
And we learned that (despite thoughts to the contrary in the off season from some Bear fans) the Packers are still hungry despite just winning a title
Last edited by The Benjamin; 09-26-2011 at 06:40 AM.
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We learned that Jay is not “the Man,” and probably never will be...perhaps contrary to popular opinion, but I thought I OL played fine yesterday, given that the GB D was keying on Forte and the run...Jay had plenty of protection and time to throw the ball...you know, that thing we pay him millions of dollars to do....Yet, even though the OL gave him the protection, he looked to be panic mode from the first snap...bad throws, bad mechanics, bad decisions...
We bought Jay to Chicago to help pull the wagon...but he can’t...he just sits in the wagon and as long as everything is rolling along smoothly he’s fine...however, the second you hit a bump and ask to get out and help push, he falls apart...We asked Jay to step up and win that game with his arm; he simply wasn’t up to the challenge...and once again, probably never will be...Culter may have above average skills below the neck, but he certainly has below average skills above it...that’s what I continued to learn yesterday...
Reductio ad absurdum...it's how we roll...
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Originally Posted by
Wolfman
We learned that Jay is not “the Man,” and probably never will be...perhaps contrary to popular opinion, but I thought I OL played fine yesterday, given that the GB D was keying on Forte and the run...Jay had plenty of protection and time to throw the ball...you know, that thing we pay him millions of dollars to do....Yet, even though the OL gave him the protection, he looked to be panic mode from the first snap...bad throws, bad mechanics, bad decisions...
We bought Jay to Chicago to help pull the wagon...but he can’t...he just sits in the wagon and as long as everything is rolling along smoothly he’s fine...however, the second you hit a bump and ask to get out and help push, he falls apart...We asked Jay to step up and win that game with his arm; he simply wasn’t up to the challenge...and once again, probably never will be...Culter may have above average skills below the neck, but he certainly has below average skills above it...that’s what I continued to learn yesterday...
And this is my biggest fear with Jay. By the time we are able to give him some protection, his confidence to step into the pocket will be so shaken that he rushes things and turns into Rex Grossman. Yesterday seemed to demonstrate that.
I honestly think it's why there are so many high draft pick busts at QB. They are drafted by bad teams and have to learn the NFL game behind porous blocking and subpar positional threats. It's not that all those guys "suck", it's that the teams that draft them, ruin them.
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dead on trackguy. he looks like Grossman at times...or more closely, KO, he is so worried about the D getting to him his mechanics fall apart, and he looks best when he's dumping it off to a TE or RB. And you are also right about the busts at qb ratio to bad OL.