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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Updated: September 26, 2011, 9:44 AM ET
    Identity crisis

    Even Bears quarterback Jay Cutler sounds unsure what to make of team's offense

    By Melissa Isaacson
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    It's Only Week 3

    CHICAGO -- Jay Cutler has had the kind of week that can make a quarterback consider a career change. Just as he was beginning to get his voice back after having his throat stepped on by an unruly New Orleans Saint last Sunday, he was hit low by one Packer, nailed high by another and had his spine contorted in a way that had those watching in almost as much pain as he was.

    If that wasn't bad enough, his team was outmanned, outcoached and out-franchised Sunday by the same division rivals that put him out of the NFC Championship Game last winter in a fashion that blurred all lines between insult and injury. (Once again, thank you Lovie. You and Martz take a bow)

    [+] EnlargeAP Photo/Nam Y. HuhJay Cutler was protected better Sunday, but he did take his lumps.


    Cornerback Charles Woodson called his club's 27-17 victory at Soldier Field an "ugly win," for the Green Bay Packers, which says all you need to know about the Chicago Bears' loss.

    And at the center of it all, as is usually the case, was Cutler, looking more and more like a player stuck in an agonizing no-man's land of personal development, every good throw negated by a bad one; every flash of brilliance wiped out by a drop or a penalty or a play call that did just as much damage. (What else is new, and allowing Martz to bring in that asshat Williams and install him as the #1 WR without even having to compete for the job did nothing to instill confidence in the exisiting group or help to build their chemistry with Cutler. He's been diplomatically saying that ever since Williams arrived. When we could have pursued a vet like Malcom Floyd who could probably help the other guys we end up with a selfish prick competing with them for playing time instead. Great move Jer!)

    For the second week in a row, the Bears finished with just 12 rushing plays, which isn't as appalling as their 13 yards gained. Cutler actually had time to throw this week and was sacked only three times, an improvement over the offense's two-game average of 5.5 per game. But the most troubling part of it all at this point is that for all of his ability, his arm strength and perseverance, Cutler is starting to seemingly sink to the level of his offense. (So much for a balanced offense out of "Air Martz". Cutler didn't have a great game but about 80% of it wasn't his fault. Her point about his sinking to the overall level of what talent surrounds him is spot on in my opinion. Great performances lift everyone invloved and crap like Sunday just sits there and stinks!)

    And maybe worse is that he sounds demoralized by the very system that was supposed to lift him to his peak potential but clearly cannot. Asked if the Bears can start installing more plays in which they excel, the quarterback seemed thoroughly perplexed. (I don't think there's any question about it. You can see it on his face and it's not imaturity or lack of leadership. It's coming to a realization of the obvious. He doesn't have the tools to run Martz's offense productively. Get rid of Martz and get Jeremy Bates in here before it really gets bad)

    "I don't know," Cutler said. "It's so hit-and-miss of what we're doing well and what we're not doing well that I don't even know where to begin." One thing, however, was clear to him. "We're 0-2 like this, so it's not looking very good," he said. (When the leader of your offense can't imagine what to do to improve it you know there's trouble brewing. As of this moment I'd say Martz has lost Cutler and fairly soon the rest of the offense will follow if it hasn't already)

    Cutler led exactly one decent drive Sunday, highlighted by a 37-yard catch by Devin Hester, another short pass to Sam Hurd that went for 17 yards and a deep throw to Johnny Knox that went for 24 yards and landed the Bears' on the Packers' 3-yard line, setting up a 4-yard touchdown pass to Dane Sanzenbacher. (Why can't the do this on at least half of their drives? Maybe it worked because RWill wasn't involved)

    The second-quarter drive also included a delay-of-game penalty on the Bears, a drop on the goal line by Roy Williams and a carry by Matt Forte that went for minus-1 yard. In other words, it was typical of the entire day. (And this is what happens when he is. Chalk up one missed TD and two picks to this useless bastard)

    "There were spurts, things we did well, clicking. And then other things; penalties, interceptions, penalties, interceptions, missed cues, missed blocks," Cutler said. "If you go down the line, everyone probably had a [mental error], so until we put together a full game and we're consistent and we're balanced, it's going to be tough for us to win, even though the defense is playing lights out." (Then pray that Lovie takes Martz out of the picture and has Tice call plays or you'll be disappointed)

    In Cutler's case, the mental errors are unacceptable, particularly in a sixth NFL season that should be showing a pronounced upward climb. Instead, on his only other trip inside the red zone, at the end of the first half, he took chances with passes on first and second downs at the Packers' 7 before throwing away a third, and looked stiff and off-balance. (Why blame Cutler? Those were Martz's calls and he has no permission to audible. Poor play calling doesn't constitute a mental error)

    But the third quarter was even more troubling. With the score, if not the overall feeling, indicating that the game was well within reach, the Bears began the second half with three consecutive three-and-outs that included eight straight Cutler incompletions and resulted in a combined minus-20 yards. On the day, the Bears converted on just 3-of-12 third-down opportunities. (Once again don't blame Cutler for the play calling and the drops. He may have thrown a couple of bad balls but 8 out of 9 plays were passes. Mike "fvckin'" Martz is the guy who gets the blame for that. How can Lovie let the guy do this two weeks running? He practically gives the game away. That's just piss poor game day coaching as usual)

    To be fair to Cutler, his receivers are not doing him many favors these days. Williams looks like he needs every ball to hit him in the numbers; Knox made the rookie mistake of failing to secure a pass before turning around and facing a defender; and Hester showed flashes of poor judgment all day with a costly false start and another later for unnecessary roughness. (Williams is a complete waste. Both picks came on passes to him that he wouldn't even contest. Many of you got on Knox for that last year and now we see it from the guy Martz brought in to replace him? I can more easily forgive a 6' 185 lb Knox for that as opposed to a 6'3" 215 lb pussy like RWill. The guy is not gonna take any hit he can avoid, that's clear. What I can't forgive Knox for is the drop of a perfect pass because he failed to secure the ball. That's not rookie it's just plain old fashioned poor playing)

    "It's unacceptable," Knox said of his drop. "I play receiver, I have to catch the ball, simple as that." (He means it too and I'd be willing to bet he won't drop another like that)

    "We just have to connect and make the play," echoed Williams. "The ball can't be perfect. I have to catch it wherever it is in my radius and just make the play. [Cutler's] good. I have to do a better job." (And he is just playing lip service to it. He'll continue to pussy out of contact and short arm passes all season long)

    The blame extended to the Bears' offensive line, which on a day when it provided above-average pass protection, also produced a host of costly penalties, including three on one drive by three different linemen. That followed a Brian Urlacher interception that gave the Bears hope, down 10 points with 9:27 remaining in the game. (I wouldn't get too excited about that the Packers were only bringing 3 guys on a lot of passes and they didn't blitz as much as usual.)
    It's so hit and miss of what we're doing well and what we're not doing well that I don't even know where to begin.
    ”-- Jay Cutler (Not a good sign when the leader of your offense can't figure out what to do in order to improve)
    It was the same drive during which a Cutler interception was called back after a vicious hit by Packers linebacker Erik Walden.

    "It was a critical moment and we just didn't get the job done," center Roberto Garza said. "Obviously they're pinning their ears back and trying to get at the quarterback and we have to do a better job of protecting him at that time and not make those mistakes. We can't shoot ourselves in the foot continually. That's what loses football games." (Like I said don't get too excited about the pass blocking. This one almost got Cutler cut in half)

    It was the same drive that saw Hester called for unnecessary roughness. "You're never happy with that, especially post-play penalties," Bears coach Lovie Smith said. "Again, that's all a part of us not playing our type of football today. We'll clean those things up." (Stupid drive killer. He hit you first Devin but you can't retaliate! He suckered you into that penalty to try and get you ejected and he almost succeeded. Gotta be smarter than that)

    They are obviously going to have to with two games against division opponents in the next two weeks and a fired-up Ron Rivera bringing his Carolina Panthers to town next Sunday. And they're going to have to do it with a quarterback who looks and sounds the part of a confident leader.


    As of Sunday, Cutler couldn't even say for sure if a Bears' offense with 19 regular-season games under the current system has an identity. "The first game we were clicking and the next two we were kind of misfiring, and here and there," he said. "So until we're more consistent, I guess we don't." (It's an identity called "Air Martz" but it's flying with no engines, a broken wing and it's not the right offense for the offensive personnel the Bears have. Unfortunately nothing about that will change this year)

    Melissa Isaacson is a columnist for ESPNChicago.com
    I'm sick of hearing the same BS out of the O-linemen after every game, all the "We've just got to do a better job " crap. Talk about paying lip service. These guys are the all-time champs.
    What should you call any : Fumble , Hold , Interception , Three and out , or Sack ?

    A " F.H.I.T.S " ? or a J'Marcus ?

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    So the system runs on specific personnel and talent level if you've been teaching it like "Smartz" you would know.
    If the system requires speed on a certain turf to be exact in a complex system you would know.
    To have the offensive linemen required to keep the qb upright you would know.
    To not be able to pick your own foundational hire of a WR coach with a track record of developing wr's you would know.

    Point is Martz does know and does not care. He's just here for the paycheck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motownbear View Post
    Soul if they never believed in bringing in a number one wr which rice is and just want to settle for guys like Floyd then WTF is martz doin here? Straight that is what you should ask yourself. I like Floyd but got to be honest he is just another number two wr that spends more time on the injury report then playing.

    I'm sorry the issue isn't martz and isn't his system
    it is settling for shit and secondary talent on the offense and putting every resource possible into the defense. Read wilbon's article it basically expresses how I have felt since ja has been hired and our offe sieve ranking proves my point
    That's a huge exaggeration mo. Floyd hasn't missed many games over the past three years and he's averaged over 18 ypc in an offense that features Vincent Jackson and Antonio Gates as their top receivers. He isn't a true #1 guy but he'd have been a hell of an improvement over Williams for the same price.

    With our defense and a RB like Forte we can win games without a true #1 WR. The talent level is good enough to win with if we spread the ball around as we did last year. It is Martz and it is this system. It's not the right offense for this team or these players and I don't know how you could see it otherwise.

    If Mike Martz is such a great OC and his coaching is that great tell me why he has done jack shit with it coaching two different teams since his glory days with the Rams? Are you gonna tell me that both Detroit and SF had nothing but secondary shit talent too. Come on brother it can't just be a coincidence that he fails here for a third time with this offense of his. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, has wings web feet and can both swim and fly the odds are pretty good that it's not a turkey which is what his offense is at present.

    At this rate it will be the main course on every teams menu from now until Christmas when we get to let the Packers butt fvck us again.

    PS: Compare Floyd with Williams and tell me who you think would have been a better choice for the $2.5 mil we spent.

    http://www.nfl.com/player/malcomfloyd/2505785/profile

    http://www.nfl.com/player/roywilliams/2506096/profile

    Floyd has played 11 less games but has 700+ less yards on fewer catches than RWill. There was no way we were going to go after Rice with his price tag but we sure could have done much better than Williams.
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    Fact is martz improved both Detroit and San fan offense only here has it regressed

    Go look it up if you don't believe me I'm on an iPhone can't really cut and paste things as easily

    Fact is we don't have the right players period it is all on ja

    It's not I don't like Floyd it is just we have enough players like the
    . You know hester and Knox lead the league in ypc. What we need is a number one wr. Between our kr k p we have 65 mil in contracts so you see where the issues on this team is. This is a passing league it is inexcusable to not have a number one target

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    One more thing soul I never said it is the right offense I said they hired him knowing what he runs. It is no mystery what a martz offense is so if the FO doesn't get it it's not martz fault it is ja fault for getting him and giving him jack to work with which furthers my point ja sucks monkey balls

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    How dumb is this organization, 2 years ago we almost fired lovie but his contract is what saved his sorry ass from being dumped. We promoted Mr. 0-16 Rod Marinelli last year because nobody wanted the DC job. Rod flat out sucks at yet people believe in him. The last two weeks are proof he just blows at play calling. Mike Tice can suck my balls because he blows also. How many times must we flip flop the OL before he gets it right? I am just tired of people throwing Martz under the bus when this guy sucks worse. As for Martz, nobody wanted him yet this team has always been a run first pass second yet Martz is the king of passing. Can anybody fault the guy for his play calling when your star running back can not get more than 1 yard per rush. Should be rush the ball 20-25 times for 30 yards? How stupid is that? Our OL can open up a line worth a shit and if you are going to pull guards to block other blitzing linebackers then expect no rushing game. Martz passes the ball yet the bears want to run the ball. Does anybody see anything wrong with this picture?

    Over the last 10 years has Angelo produced a Probowl WR, RB or TE? Hester does not count because he made the probowl as a special teams player. Martz is not the problem, dumbfuck Angleo is the problem. If anybody should be fired this clown should be fired. Maybe lightning will strike and Rocky Wirtz or Mark Cuban will by the Bears and get rid of Jerry Angelo bunch of assclowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4th and 26 View Post
    How dumb is this organization, 2 years ago we almost fired lovie but his contract is what saved his sorry ass from being dumped. We promoted Mr. 0-16 Rod Marinelli last year because nobody wanted the DC job. Rod flat out sucks at yet people believe in him. The last two weeks are proof he just blows at play calling. Mike Tice can suck my balls because he blows also. How many times must we flip flop the OL before he gets it right? I am just tired of people throwing Martz under the bus when this guy sucks worse. As for Martz, nobody wanted him yet this team has always been a run first pass second yet Martz is the king of passing. Can anybody fault the guy for his play calling when your star running back can not get more than 1 yard per rush. Should be rush the ball 20-25 times for 30 yards? How stupid is that? Our OL can open up a line worth a shit and if you are going to pull guards to block other blitzing linebackers then expect no rushing game. Martz passes the ball yet the bears want to run the ball. Does anybody see anything wrong with this picture?

    Over the last 10 years has Angelo produced a Probowl WR, RB or TE? Hester does not count because he made the probowl as a special teams player. Martz is not the problem, dumbfuck Angleo is the problem. If anybody should be fired this clown should be fired. Maybe lightning will strike and Rocky Wirtz or Mark Cuban will by the Bears and get rid of Jerry Angelo bunch of assclowns.
    Want a real nice connect the dots summary of our coaching tree ? Go on wiki and type in Chicago Bears, then click on all the asst coaches etc....... it's a good ole boys network of all Lovie's cronies most of whom , overall, have a bunch of garbage on their resume's. Ex: Angetard was director of player personnel with the Buc's for 14yrs and they made the playoffs 3x ( all in the last 4 yrs ) yet it's called a "success". Biased writing, yet he parlayed it into this job. Martz won the SB under Vermiel as OC, but never won it as a coach. Plus the same complaints ( from players ) about how he never ran a balanced offense and was run out of town after money clashes with the front office. Marinelli - it speaks for itself. Tice had himself a nice ticket scalping episode. Babich- Lovie's buddy. Drake- more garbage. Add in the QB coach who has practically nothing on his resume etc etc etc etc........To top it off Angetard and Lovie's stock-in-trade is the defensive side of the ball, so there's where the screw the offense mindset comes from. It's all they KNOW. Makes it pretty clear why we've had to suffer through the past 10 yrs. Garbage in = garbage out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Horse-shoe View Post
    Want a real nice connect the dots summary of our coaching tree ? Go on wiki and type in Chicago Bears, then click on all the asst coaches etc....... it's a good ole boys network of all Lovie's cronies most of whom , overall, have a bunch of garbage on their resume's. Ex: Angetard was director of player personnel with the Buc's for 14yrs and they made the playoffs 3x ( all in the last 4 yrs ) yet it's called a "success". Biased writing, yet he parlayed it into this job. Martz won the SB under Vermiel as OC, but never won it as a coach. Plus the same complaints ( from players ) about how he never ran a balanced offense and was run out of town after money clashes with the front office. Marinelli - it speaks for itself. Tice had himself a nice ticket scalping episode. Babich- Lovie's buddy. Drake- more garbage. Add in the QB coach who has practically nothing on his resume etc etc etc etc........To top it off Angetard and Lovie's stock-in-trade is the defensive side of the ball, so there's where the screw the offense mindset comes from. It's all they KNOW. Makes it pretty clear why we've had to suffer through the past 10 yrs. Garbage in = garbage out.
    Lovies get out of jail free card will be Martz because we signed Lovie to an extension so that means no playoffs for 3 more years. Angelo is not going anywhere because the organization is stupid and they believe in this moron. Unless we can lose Jay for a long period of time the fans will fill the stadium and life will go on.

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    Keep hearing about personal. Look if your OL can pass block and give good run blocking you can run just about any offense you want to run. Finks said it best " Starts in the trenches..." Seriously, can anybody name me a SB winner with the worse OL in the league?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yttocs View Post
    Keep hearing about personal. Look if your OL can pass block and give good run blocking you can run just about any offense you want to run. Finks said it best " Starts in the trenches..." Seriously, can anybody name me a SB winner with the worse OL in the league?
    In a word, no. So .... our suffering will continue because these guys are like robots. They're programmed to think a certain way ( defense first ) and telling them to draft guys for the offense is like trying to tell a full blown addict " stop yourself ". Doesn't happen.
    It's demoralizing that the front office is this blind. They may win a few games, but if anyone thinks these guys are going to build a SB Champion, you're kidding yourself.
    What should you call any : Fumble , Hold , Interception , Three and out , or Sack ?

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