Thread: Jay Cutler has given up on the OL

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Yet, those distorted opinions only exist because of the way he acts, behaves, and performs...like I said, I am glad he’s saying the right things on Thursday...I just wish he wouldn’t have said the wrong things on Wednesday...

What specifically .... is it about the way he acts, behaves that should lead to all the BS opinions ? Cite specific examples. I swear some people are such mental doughballs that they believe everything that the media shovels out there because THEY don't like him, cuz he doesn't kiss their pompous asses.
Ever spent any time with him ? ....... I haven't either ... but I'm supposed to believe what the MEDIA says ? Yeah I'm sure they all know him so well. F'n ridiculous.
You keep on being the media's parrot. I can't go there.

Originally Posted by loki520

Looks to me like he's seeing that his shoe is untied and thinking about whether or not he should call time out.

Jay Cutler typically shows more talent on a bad day than either Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton did on their best days. How many times did any of you feel we could win a game when Rex or Kyle were throwing all sorts of incompletions and picks. Now how many times do you feel we can't come back from a deficit with Cutler playing.

I have yet to watch a game this year where a potential big play might not have turned the game around. The pass to Hester and the non-call on Woodson (and don't anyone get their undies in bundle about it since I explained more fullu elsewhere) was a perfectly thrown ball and had Hester been able to get to it we had six.

Jay Cutler isn't the guy dropping key passes that were thrown right into the receivers hands. As long as we stay within two TD's I still believe this team can come back and win and I never felt that way with Grossman or Orton. Neither of them were capable of comebacks. Jay Cutler has more talent than any QB this team has seen since the days of Luckman, Lujack and Layne. Get him some protection and a decent OC and we'll have a great offense behind him. Don't get it and we lose out on the best chance we've had to build around a QB in 60 years.

Originally Posted by soulman

Jay Cutler typically shows more talent on a bad day than either Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton did on their best days. How many times did any of you feel we could win a game when Rex or Kyle were throwing all sorts of incompletions and picks. Now how many times do you feel we can't come back from a deficit with Cutler playing.

I have yet to watch a game this year where a potential big play might not have turned the game around. The pass to Hester and the non-call on Woodson (and don't anyone get their undies in bundle about it since I explained more fullu elsewhere) was a perfectly thrown ball and had Hester been able to get to it we had six.

Jay Cutler isn't the guy dropping key passes that were thrown right into the receivers hands. As long as we stay within two TD's I still believe this team can come back and win and I never felt that way with Grossman or Orton. Neither of them were capable of comebacks. Jay Cutler has more talent than any QB this team has seen since the days of Luckman, Lujack and Layne. Get him some protection and a decent OC and we'll have a great offense behind him. Don't get it and we lose out on the best chance we've had to build around a QB in 60 years.

Nah .... these guys were the Good Ole Days :
Todd Collins, Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman, Brian Griese, Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson, Jonathan Quinn, Kordell Stewart, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris, Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno...... and all their great comebacks. Man I miss those guys.

Originally Posted by Blue Horse-shoe

Nah .... these guys were the Good Ole Days :
Todd Collins, Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman, Brian Griese, Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson, Jonathan Quinn, Kordell Stewart, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris, Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno...... and all their great comebacks. Man I miss those guys.

LOL, it hurts doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Blue Horse-shoe

What specifically .... is it about the way he acts, behaves that should lead to all the BS opinions ? Cite specific examples. I swear some people are such mental doughballs that they believe everything that the media shovels out there because THEY don't like him, cuz he doesn't kiss their pompous asses. Ever spent any time with him ? ....... I haven't either ... but I'm supposed to believe what the MEDIA says ? Yeah I'm sure they all know him so well. F'n ridiculous. You keep on being the media's parrot. I can't go there.

I don't listen to the Score, I don't read the Tribune or the Sun-Times, I don't watch SportCenter, I barely watch the Fox Pre-game...whatever BS opinion of Cutler is not being spoon fed to me by the MEDIA...my BS opinion of Cutler comes from my personal observation of his play on Sunday and the bits of information I read in the forum (ie other people's BS opinions)...I may be an uniformed idiot, but I am not a parrot for the media...my opinions, BS as you may think they are, at least come honest...not that I give a shit what you think of me either way...

Specifically, I don't like the way he carries himself, I don't like the bonehead football decisions he makes far too often, I don't like the way it appears that he doesn't care, I don't like that he doesn't appear to much of a leader....to me, he doesn't appear to have the heart, head or passion for the game of football...

At this point Jay, reminds me of the Emilio Estevez character in The Breakfast Club...a physical gifted athlete who has zero passion for the sport he's been groomed for and expected to play...sure, Jay may have all the physical talent in the world, and as long as everything is going along perfectly, his physical talent will more then get him by...however, when things are less then perfect (and CLEARLY things are far less then perfect right now), he mentally withdraws and collapses...because he doesn't have the passion; playing football at this level should be a passion, not just a job...he looks like he's just going though the motions out there...you need more than that...

I don't want Cutler to fail...I am not dogging Jay because I dislike or hate him...

What I want Cutler to do...and I know this is very vague term, but I think we all know what it means...I want Cutler to “step up”...I know there are a thousand excuses why he can't...we read them all over this forum...his line sucks, his Wrs suck, his coaches suck...and you won't necessarily get an argument out of me on any of that...however, that's all also beside the point...you don't “step up” when everything is going well...you “step up” when things are going to shit...

The GB game was a perfect opportunity for Jay to “step up”...that game was winnable; that game, imho, was his golden opportunity to prove something... that was the kind of game bought Jay to Chicago to win....my fear is that that game did, indeed, prove something, the wrong something...maybe I am being a bit unfair...I probably am; God, I hope I am...however these are the cards Jay has been dealt...you are a starting, supposedly elite QB in the NFL...you either “step up” or you fold...

With all that crap said, lets go kick the snot out of the Panthers today...go Bears!

Wolf I don't think you're being unfair in your assesments of him based on what you've seen. I think he tends to give a lot of people the impression that he doesn't have a real passion for the game. But I still believe that his quiet style is taken as sulking when it's not really that at all. He got some of that out here to but after allowed a few sportswriters to get into his head a bit farther the read was different. He keeps a lot inside and operates on the basis off what he does is his business.

That's not to mean he doesn't care it just that's he thinks more like it's his problem to solve. You'll rarely hear him saying something specific about another player and when he makes a comment like the one he did about the Oline being all he had that's not to mean he's throwing them under the bus. He responds that way because he thinks it's a dumb question. It's more like what's going through his head is, "I'm not my own blocker and we don't have anybody but these guys, so what do you want me to say?" It's not so much being unkind as it is being extremely matter of fact.

I do agree with you about his decision making though I think we'll just have to get used to it. There's that gunslinger mentality in him like there was in Rex where he believes strongly enough in his arm that he tends to take chances with it that he shouldn't. I'd like to see him step up and be a more verbal leader too but it's not his style so he needs to be pushed into it. Maybe one problem he has with it is he's very blunt when he analyzes something and talks about it. He's never gonna be the most diplomatic spokeperson on the team. That got him in some hot water earlier in his career, like when he claimed he had a better arm than John Elway. That may possibly be true (I think he's more accurate than Elway was) but in print it came out as him saying that he was better than John Elway. Saying that in Denver would be like Matt Forte saying he's better than Walter Payton in Chicago.

That aside he still needs to do more to get his guys fired up but he'll never be a Peyton Manning doing it. I want the same thing you do. I want him to be thinking in his head, "fvck Martz and all these other issues, I'm gonna pull this game out all by myself if I have to". I think that's the way Favre always approached the game. Me against them and Jay could use a little of that "chip on my shoulder" attitude. But regardless of that we still needs to get him surrounded with better tools because he's not the kind of QB who actually does it on his own and we have to either live with that or get a new QB.