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    What's Wrong With Mike Martz Offense is Mike Martz................

    Bears’ biggest problem with Mike Martz offense might be Mike Martz
    BY MARK POTASH mpotash@suntimes.com October 5, 2011 11:17AM



    Updated: October 5, 2011 4:08PM


    In Week 4 of the 1999 season, when it still seemed like it was just a matter of time before the Bears mastered the nuances of Gary Crowton’s “razzle-dazzle” offense and took the NFL by storm, the Bears and Shane Matthews were getting shut out by Mike Ditka’s Saints at Soldier Field late in the fourth quarter.

    Suddenly, everything clicked. With 4:35 left and the Bears down 10-0, Matthews led a 10-play, 79-yard touchdown drive, hitting Curtis Conway for a 22-yard score to make it 10-7 with 1:48 left.

    The Bears got the ball back with 1:08 to go and Matthews engineered an even more stunning drive, going 67 yards on six plays for the game-winning touchdown — a six-yard pass from Matthews to Conway with seven seconds left.

    The Bears won 14-10, but it was a red flag for the Crowton offense more than a celebration of it. Out of desperation, Matthews took control of the offense and called all the plays in “two-minute drill” fashion. How is it that Matthews could call plays in Crowton’s offense under duress better than Crowton could during the course of the game?

    That was the second seed of doubt about the Crowton offense (the first was the scoreless second half in the opener against the Chiefs). And the rest was history.

    I guess it is a little ironic that on that same day, while the Bears were struggling to get their promising offense off the ground, Mike Martz and the St. Louis Rams were doing everything the Bears had hoped to do and more. In his third game as a fill-in starter, Kurt Warner threw three more touchdown passes and had a perfect 158.3 passer rating as the Rams — who like the Bears were a 4-12, last-place team the previous season — whipped the Bengals 38-10 to improve to 3-0 en route to an unlikely Super Bowl victory.

    Ironic, because the Bears’ 34-29 victory over the Carolina Panthers on Sunday at Soldier Field gave me that same feeling of doubt about Martz’s offense as I had about Crowton’s in 1999. Here is this offense that is supposed to drive defenses batty with a relentless passing attack (the Rams led the NFL in passing from 1999-2001 and were in the top five for six consecutive seasons) and after 21 games is resorting to the most standard of running attacks to beat a middle-of-the-pack-at-best defense.

    The Bears had 224 yards rushing and 93 passing. Jay Cutler didn’t throw a pass in the first quarter, threw only four in the first half and finished 9-of-17 for 102 yards and an interception for a 46.7 passer rating.

    Another red flag: After nearly two years of work on a precision offense (though without an offseason in 2011), after the Bears molded their roster to give Martz players who best fit his system — like Roy Williams and Matt Spaeth and Dane Sanzenbacher — the biggest addition has been fullback Tyler Clutts, who was picked off the Cleveland Browns’ practice squad five days before the season opener.

    Clutts was on the field for most of the Bears’ biggest plays against the Panthers. He was the lead blocker for 176 of Matt Forte’s 205 rushing yards. He had the key block that sprang Forte for gains of 46 and 40 yards and blocked 6-2, 275-pound defensive end Charles Johnson to clear the way for a big four-yard gain on fourth-and-one in the fourth quarter.

    It’s true that even with ‘’The Greatest Show on Turf’’ in St. Louis, the Rams would have similar games where the running game dominated. Two weeks after the Rams beat the Bengals in 1999, Marshall Faulk rushed for 181 yards and Warner passed for only 111 in a rout of the Falcons. But by then the offensive identity had clearly been established — Warner had already thrown 14 touchdown passes to three interceptions and was averaging 304 passing yards a game.
    That’s not the case with the Bears. They look like an offense designed to use the pass to set up the run, but looks much more comfortable using the run to set up the pass. As my Sun-Times colleague Neil Hayes pointed out earlier this week, their biggest crisis on offense is not Jay Cutler, Roy Williams or the tight ends, but one of identity. Until they figure out what they do best, they’re destined to muddle through this season on offense and let the defense and special teams do the heavy lifting. It worked last season, but as we can see already, it’s a dicey proposition in 2011.
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    I've been saying for weeks that the Bears could not have made a worse choice for an OC than Mike Martz. Ever since Lovie Smith arrived to coach this team his message about the Bears offense has been singular and adamant, "We get off the bus running". That being the case then why in the blue hell would you ever hire a guy who one claim to fame was buiding and operating a relentless, pass driven offense known as "The Greatest Show on Turf" as your offensive co-ordinator. You might just as well ask Jerry Angelo to judge a "Punt, Pass and Kick" competition.

    A quick look at the personnel the Bears field offensively should tell anyone interested to see it just why Martz's approach won't work here and now. What are the strong points of the Bears offense? Top RB; check, Good Blocking FB; check, Oversized Blocking TE's; check, Big Physical Oline; check, Big Time WR; uh no, Antonio Gates type TE; uh no, Experienced Stalwart LT; uh no, Good Pass Blocking OG's; uh no, so that leaves us with the QB.

    It's true that Jay Cutler could probably throw a ball through the side of a building and hit a swinging tire 30 yards away but just because we finally have a QB with an arm and the skills to use it doesn't mean he has to be the feature of an offense that isn't designed around those strengths. I think Jay Cutler would be perfectly happy to throw the ball twenty times a game and run it thirty since he'd spend far less time on his backside or fearing for his health and safety as the pass rush is boring down on him for the umpteenth time in the game.

    That's the issue here and it has been the issue all along. JA went out and spent two years worth of 1st round picks and $50 mil on Jay Cutler and for some unknown reason thought that was enough to instantly turn the Bears offense into a passing machine. When that didn't do it under Ron Turner he fired Turner and brought in a guy who brought with him his legend of being a Super Bowl winning Offensive Co-ordinator only Martz couldn't bring the offensive personnel he won that Super Bowl with along and Jerry Angelo doesn't know how to find current versions of players like Pace, Timmerman, Bruce and Holt. The closest he's come is a Marshall Faulk clone in Matt Forte and it looks like he's doing everything he can to make certain Forte plays for someone else.

    Welcome to your 2011 Chicago Bears, royally screwed by poor decision making and an incompetent GM, but what else is new. We should be used to this by now, right?
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    This is just another article pointin out te obvious that we have been saying for awhile

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    This is just another article pointin out te obvious that we have been saying for awhile
    Ain't that the truth. About all we can hope for is that Martz begins to realize the truth of it too. The only hope we have for a decent season pretty much rests on his gameplanning and playcalling and if he continues to press the passing game we're screwed.
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    said it from the time the rumors were out that this guy was a bad choise. He doesn't use rb's and TE's, and our OL sucks and cannot protect the QB. Why would bring in a guy who's O runs on everything you are weak at? Yet they did, and we've seen what's happened. A worse O, statistically, then Ron Turner.

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    said it from the time the rumors were out that this guy was a bad choise. He doesn't use rb's and TE's, and our OL sucks and cannot protect the QB. Why would bring in a guy who's O runs on everything you are weak at? Yet they did, and we've seen what's happened. A worse O, statistically, then Ron Turner.
    Glad you noticed. The only thing that has improved is that we have more big plays than we ever did under Turner but that comes as no surprise since Martz's whole system is based on that. The other factor is Matt Forte and Jay Cutler. If you give them enough chances they're gonna hit on a few of them.
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    wonder if the roles had been reversed for the mad genious' "greatest show on turf" and Gary Crowton’s “razzle-dazzle” offense where they would be right now. Would Crowton have looked like the mad genious w/Warner, Faulk, and all the other O weapons and Martz looked like an idiot here w/Matthews and all the lack of weapons here in Chicago?

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    A bad offense has been the trend since Angelo came here. Over the past seven or 10 years the Bears have averaged a tie for the worst defense in the NFL.

    It goes higher than Martz.

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    Bears’ biggest problem with Mike Martz offense is the LOFT

    Lack of fucking talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4th and 26 View Post
    Bears’ biggest problem with Mike Martz offense is the LOFT

    Lack of fucking talent.
    On the offensive side of the ball it's been that way throughout Lovie's entire tenure as Bears HC. Neither he or Angelo know the first thing about building an offense or eve hiring the right guy to bring one in and run it. Mike Martz is Terry Shea v2.0. The kind of offense those guys run will not work without a specific kind of personnel and we don't have it.

    It's not that there's no talent (read what Holt and Jaws have to say) but it's not good enough to run this system right now and maybe never will be. I still say bringing in Mike Martz without a willingness or an ability to match personnel with his system was a huge mistake and it plays out that way on the field nearly every weekend.
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