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    guess b/c I didn't watch the game I didn't notice this, but again credit to the coaches, I heard we ran very little of the Cover who, from the start, and had the DB's up in the faces of the undersized fast wr's that the Iggles have. That again is great coaching; and for once I am starting to see real fluidity from the coaches, Cutler rolling out, almost 50/50 run/pass. And the D actually broke the mold to confuse the Vick and actually played to our STR and their Weakness.

    Sounds like Jennings had a good game also, maybe he's just a cover 2 guy?

    Peae is a beast, I agree, I'd like to see him and AA both on the active roster though.

    I agree the OL has to remain the same.

    I don' disagree w/Hester, I don't 100% agree either. His speed has to be accounted for, and it will change the looks the other WR's and Forte get.

    Briggs/Url look great out there no doubt.

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    Breaking down Lovie's defensive game plan in the 31-24 win. Matt Bowen


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    After watching the Bears 31-24 win over the Eagles on Monday night, the one topic I have to discuss is Lovie Smith’s defensive game plan. No question we saw some impressive QB play from Jay Cutler, WR Earl Bennett made a major impact in Martz’ scheme and the O-Line consistently won up front.
    But I want to focus on how this Bears’ defense limited the production of Michael Vick (21-38-213-1 INT). Let’s break this down…
    ICONBriggs and the Bears defense used a mix of coverage and pressure to slow down Michael Vick in the 31-24 win.
    - Start with scheme. Tonight, the Bears led with their Cover 1 (man-free) defense and challenged both DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin outside of the numbers. Excellent work from CBs Charles Tillman and Tim Jennings playing with an aggressive style, showing some press looks and taking away the inside breaking routes of the Eagles’ playbook. Impressive secondary play from Chicago in man coverage situations.
    - What happened to Cover 2 (or Tampa 2)? We will still see the Bears rush four and drop seven into coverage in situational football (3rd and long, red zone, two minute). But you can’t call this a core Tampa 2 defense after tonight. Again, a scheme they will always carry in the game plan. But vs. Vick, they wanted to play man-coverage and bring pressure.
    - Zone pressure. Go back to Vick’s INT in the red zone. The Bears sent Nickel pressure (called “Nickel Fox”). Rush five and drop six into coverage. LB Lance Briggs (“middle hook” player) will read any route that works back to the middle of the field. Briggs gets a solid break on the ball and it leads to a Major Wright INT. The Bears used CB D.J. Moore, MLB Brian Urlacher, etc. to run their pressure schemes and force Vick off the spot in the pocket.
    - Take away the deep ball. That’s a must vs. this Eagles offense. After the second Matt Forte fumble, Philly tried to run the deep post out of a slot formation. The Bears took that away, and throughout the night, these young safeties played the deep middle of the field (plus on top of the numbers in Cover 2) with enough depth to force the ball to go underneath. Yes, both major Wright and Chris Conte have to focus on their ability to tackle in the open field, but in this scheme, protecting the top of the defense is a priority. And they did that.
    - The Eagles' QB is unique when he escapes pressure, but I didn’t see situations where he could turn the corner and pick up explosive gains. The Bears used some stunts up front when they sent four (Cover 1 and Cover 2) and for the majority of the night, limited Vick’s ability to make plays with his feet. He played like a frustrated QB. That's what you get from a defense that will pursure to the ball on a consistent basis.
    Like I said above, the Bears have plenty of positives on offense to look at when you break down this win. However, this game plan from the Bears surprised me. Play man coverage and challenge the speed in Philly. A big win for a team that is now back in the playoff talk at 5-3.
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    I hope we see more of this, I think Tillman is highly underrated for his 1 on 1 coverage; this is a guy that could shut Moss down when he was in Minny. And I think Jennings might be a bump/run guy also. It's nice to see this team attacking the O instead of resting back waiting for the O to come to them.

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    Breaking down Lovie's defensive game plan in the 31-24 win. Matt Bowen


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    After watching the Bears 31-24 win over the Eagles on Monday night, the one topic I have to discuss is Lovie Smith’s defensive game plan. No question we saw some impressive QB play from Jay Cutler, WR Earl Bennett made a major impact in Martz’ scheme and the O-Line consistently won up front.
    But I want to focus on how this Bears’ defense limited the production of Michael Vick (21-38-213-1 INT). Let’s break this down…
    ICONBriggs and the Bears defense used a mix of coverage and pressure to slow down Michael Vick in the 31-24 win.
    - Start with scheme. Tonight, the Bears led with their Cover 1 (man-free) defense and challenged both DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin outside of the numbers. Excellent work from CBs Charles Tillman and Tim Jennings playing with an aggressive style, showing some press looks and taking away the inside breaking routes of the Eagles’ playbook. Impressive secondary play from Chicago in man coverage situations.
    - What happened to Cover 2 (or Tampa 2)? We will still see the Bears rush four and drop seven into coverage in situational football (3rd and long, red zone, two minute). But you can’t call this a core Tampa 2 defense after tonight. Again, a scheme they will always carry in the game plan. But vs. Vick, they wanted to play man-coverage and bring pressure.
    - Zone pressure. Go back to Vick’s INT in the red zone. The Bears sent Nickel pressure (called “Nickel Fox”). Rush five and drop six into coverage. LB Lance Briggs (“middle hook” player) will read any route that works back to the middle of the field. Briggs gets a solid break on the ball and it leads to a Major Wright INT. The Bears used CB D.J. Moore, MLB Brian Urlacher, etc. to run their pressure schemes and force Vick off the spot in the pocket.
    - Take away the deep ball. That’s a must vs. this Eagles offense. After the second Matt Forte fumble, Philly tried to run the deep post out of a slot formation. The Bears took that away, and throughout the night, these young safeties played the deep middle of the field (plus on top of the numbers in Cover 2) with enough depth to force the ball to go underneath. Yes, both major Wright and Chris Conte have to focus on their ability to tackle in the open field, but in this scheme, protecting the top of the defense is a priority. And they did that.
    - The Eagles' QB is unique when he escapes pressure, but I didn’t see situations where he could turn the corner and pick up explosive gains. The Bears used some stunts up front when they sent four (Cover 1 and Cover 2) and for the majority of the night, limited Vick’s ability to make plays with his feet. He played like a frustrated QB. That's what you get from a defense that will pursure to the ball on a consistent basis.
    Like I said above, the Bears have plenty of positives on offense to look at when you break down this win. However, this game plan from the Bears surprised me. Play man coverage and challenge the speed in Philly. A big win for a team that is now back in the playoff talk at 5-3.
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    I hope we see more of this, I think Tillman is highly underrated for his 1 on 1 coverage; this is a guy that could shut Moss down when he was in Minny. And I think Jennings might be a bump/run guy also. It's nice to see this team attacking the O instead of resting back waiting for the O to come to them.

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    Excellent game on many fronts!

    But have we ever had success with the Wildcat? ...with Bennett? I mean I love the guy (Bennett), but as soon as he got behind center you knew it wasn't going to be pretty!

    Also, Lach seems to be getting left out of this Grats party. At times (especially in the first Quarter), he looked like a one man D! My boy was busting up EVERYTHING!

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    It was nice seeing Vick being the QB getting hit almost every time he threw the ball instead of Jay. I think all around the offense and defense played a complete game. We had some moments where the eagles were getting the momentum but then we did something to give our team a spark and take the momentum back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4th and 26 View Post
    It was nice seeing Vick being the QB getting hit almost every time he threw the ball instead of Jay. I think all around the offense and defense played a complete game. We had some moments where the eagles were getting the momentum but then we did something to give our team a spark and take the momentum back.
    I agree wholeheartedly with you, 4th, but I will take this another step further to a point where you normally would never go. The coaching staff for the Bears outcoached Andy Reid's staff, pure and simple. While the pressures on Vick didn't necessarily show up in the sack column (I think we had two sacks the whole night), he was hit every time he threw the ball, and our linebackers and Peppers are so fast that they can run him down when he takes off before he is able to cause major damage. Honestly, the only really bad play I saw all night was that wheel route that LeSean McCoy ran in for a touchdown that put the Eagles ahead in the game. Credit the Bears for not losing their composure, because I sure did after that play. To keep McCoy to 71 rushing yards on the night was absolutely incredible, and to think that our MVP candidate (Matt Forte) had his worst game as a Bear in over a year!

    The truth is that the score should have been 30-10 Bears. The only drive that I was not happy with was the opening drive of the second half. I think the drive last 15 plays and took up six or seven minutes, but I could be wrong. Philly had made a blocking adjustment, but for once, our coaching staff came right back and made a counter-adjustment negate anything that the Eagles were able to do during the game. Last night was probably the biggest win of the season since it built morale and boosted the team's confidence, as well as setting us up really nicely for the big game at Soldier Field next Sunday against the Detroit Lions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    I hope we see more of this, I think Tillman is highly underrated for his 1 on 1 coverage; this is a guy that could shut Moss down when he was in Minny. And I think Jennings might be a bump/run guy also. It's nice to see this team attacking the O instead of resting back waiting for the O to come to them.
    I like Matt Bowen's hints for the game prior to and his post games analysis. He's about the most knowledgeable writer out there and he tells it like it is. Good posts Ric.

    What I noticed about our CB play was that Peanut can get real physical with guys and totally screw up their routes and he can play the shorter routes with the best of them. That reach around deflection of that pass to Macklin was beautiful. But with Peanut you have to give him deep help. He doesn't have the wheels to turn and run with a 4.4 WR.

    Jennings on the other hand has great speed and his shorter stature allows him to get in a guys hip pocket and ride the route with him. He surprised me all night long with his coverage. Philly has all those all-pro CB's and out guys outplayed them. Probably one of the best games I've seen out of our corners. They need to play that way when we're up against GB.

    Conte had a good game but he needs to loosen up and come up in his coverage faster when the WR breaks his route. The guy is a very sure tackler though. Once again Wright's tackling abilities were suspect. He gets fooled too often. He had a chance to stop McCoy short of a first down on one of Philly's TD drives and he just plain whiffed. He stands too flat footed and doesn't run through his tackles. He's actually backslid from last year. Meriweather is beginning to "get it" as far as how he needs to play in this defense. Everything is position and no free lancing. The guy has Danieal Manning kind of speed though. I can see that's what Lovie was after picking him up. The guy can motor.
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    I like Matt Bowen's hints for the game prior to and his post games analysis. He's about the most knowledgeable writer out there and he tells it like it is. Good posts Ric.

    What I noticed about our CB play was that Peanut can get real physical with guys and totally screw up their routes and he can play the shorter routes with the best of them. That reach around deflection of that pass to Macklin was beautiful. But with Peanut you have to give him deep help. He doesn't have the wheels to turn and run with a 4.4 WR.

    Jennings on the other hand has great speed and his shorter stature allows him to get in a guys hip pocket and ride the route with him. He surprised me all night long with his coverage. Philly has all those all-pro CB's and out guys outplayed them. Probably one of the best games I've seen out of our corners. They need to play that way when we're up against GB.

    Conte had a good game but he needs to loosen up and come up in his coverage faster when the WR breaks his route. The guy is a very sure tackler though. Once again Wright's tackling abilities were suspect. He gets fooled too often. He had a chance to stop McCoy short of a first down on one of Philly's TD drives and he just plain whiffed. He stands too flat footed and doesn't run through his tackles. He's actually backslid from last year. Meriweather is beginning to "get it" as far as how he needs to play in this defense. Everything is position and no free lancing. The guy has Danieal Manning kind of speed though. I can see that's what Lovie was after picking him up. The guy can motor.
    Soul, did you also notice that Major Wright did a lot of over-pursuing on in open space? He took what at times were horrible angles when Vick threw across the middle any intermediate range pass. We were lucky that Conte was able to play so well. For some reason, I did not notice Brandon Meriweather in the game much last night, but then again, I was at Hooters with my best friend taking in the game. I'll be glad if Meriweather cuts out being a headhunter and decides he is going to follow the protocol of playing in the Tampa-Two defense. He's got great talent, and he could be special if he just hones it the right way. I really don't know how much more we can expect out of Wright over the short fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    I like Matt Bowen's hints for the game prior to and his post games analysis. He's about the most knowledgeable writer out there and he tells it like it is. Good posts Ric.

    What I noticed about our CB play was that Peanut can get real physical with guys and totally screw up their routes and he can play the shorter routes with the best of them. That reach around deflection of that pass to Macklin was beautiful. But with Peanut you have to give him deep help. He doesn't have the wheels to turn and run with a 4.4 WR.

    Jennings on the other hand has great speed and his shorter stature allows him to get in a guys hip pocket and ride the route with him. He surprised me all night long with his coverage. Philly has all those all-pro CB's and out guys outplayed them. Probably one of the best games I've seen out of our corners. They need to play that way when we're up against GB.

    Conte had a good game but he needs to loosen up and come up in his coverage faster when the WR breaks his route. The guy is a very sure tackler though. Once again Wright's tackling abilities were suspect. He gets fooled too often. He had a chance to stop McCoy short of a first down on one of Philly's TD drives and he just plain whiffed. He stands too flat footed and doesn't run through his tackles. He's actually backslid from last year. Meriweather is beginning to "get it" as far as how he needs to play in this defense. Everything is position and no free lancing. The guy has Danieal Manning kind of speed though. I can see that's what Lovie was after picking him up. The guy can motor.
    Soul, in bump and run, won't he get saftey help if his guy is going deep though? Or is he just on an island waiting to get exposed if he doesn't bump the guy off his route? Seems like Meriweather would be able to help out over the top if Tillmans guy got free.

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    Soul, in bump and run, won't he get saftey help if his guy is going deep though? Or is he just on an island waiting to get exposed if he doesn't bump the guy off his route? Seems like Meriweather would be able to help out over the top if Tillmans guy got free.
    The Bears were playing a lot of one deep coverage (I think the call that man free) with only Conte playing over the top so if both wideouts are running deep posts and streaks up the sideline only one CB is gonna get help. My guess is that Conte would probably shade Tillman in that case. Jennings looked to me like he has the speed to run with 4.4 guys.

    But when they play a Cover-2 they're usually playing off the receivers and both Safeties have deep cover. It's just that last night they weren't playing much zone. They were in press coverage most of the night with just a one deep shell.
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