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The Cutler vs Rivers Fued Starts Anew, These Guys Are Not Best Buddies....
Jay Cutler vs. Philip Rivers isn’t a classic, but there is some history
by mark potash mpotash@suntimes.com November 16, 2011 8:40PM
Updated: November 16, 2011 9:00PM
Jay Cutler vs. Philip Rivers is one of the oddest quarterback rivalries in NFL history. It’s rooted in each other’s personality quirks — Rivers’ brashness vs. Cutler’s . . . Cutler-ness, for lack of a better term — rather than a history of last-minute heroics to win classic games.
It began late in the 2007 season, when Rivers and the Chargers whipped Cutler and the Broncos 23-3, and TV cameras caught Rivers and teammates taunting Cutler after his last incomplete pass. The Chargers said it was in response to Cutler trash-talking during the game. Cutler was miffed nonetheless, and the battle was on.
During an appearance on ‘‘The Best Damn Sports Show, Period’’ the following season, Cutler fanned the flames when asked about Rivers. ‘‘I’m just not that big of a fan of the guy,’’ he said. ‘‘I don’t like how he carries himself.’’
Cutler’s shot was dripping with irony — or it certainly is today. Cutler saying he doesn’t like the way Rivers carries himself is like Kim Kardashian calling Lindsay Lohan tacky. But that’s what makes this rivalry so intriguing. These guys should be the best of friends because they have so much in common.
Rivers and Cutler are the two most star-crossed quarterbacks in the NFL. Each has great physical skills that are both a blessing and a curse — they’re good enough to make the Pro Bowl but lacking that something extra that has carried Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and even Eli Manning to the top.
Both play with emotion but have struggled to channel it in the right direction on game days. Two weeks after Cutler was caught directing an obscenity toward offensive coordinator Mike Martz against the Vikings, Rivers was admonishing teammates in a loss to the Chiefs on ‘‘Monday Night Football.’’ And their body language becomes an issue. Even LaDainian Tomlinson, Rivers’ former teammate now with the Jets, recently said Rivers looks ‘‘distracted’’ on the sideline.
But they’ve got talent. Rivers, 29, had been better than even Rodgers until this season. From 2008 to ’10, he averaged 4,324 passing yards and 31 touchdown passes. He led the NFL in passer rating in 2008 (105.5), was third in 2009 (104.4) and second last season (101.8) — ahead of Rodgers every time.
But, like Cutler, it seems like there’s always something. A bad game at the wrong time cost the Chargers a playoff berth last season. Rivers was driving the Chargers for a winning field goal at Kansas City on Oct. 31 when he fumbled the snap and lost possession. The Chiefs won in overtime.
Cutler, of course, is fighting a similar battle — good enough to get close but unable to get over the top. He made the playoffs for the first time in his career last season. His best chance before that was in 2008 with Denver. But the Broncos lost to the Chargers 52-21 when Rivers was excellent (two touchdowns, 141.0 rating) and Cutler struggled (one touchdown, two interceptions, 74.9 rating).
Cutler will face Rivers for the first time since then on Sunday at Soldier Field. Both players downplayed the rivalry. But Cutler wasn’t too interested when reporters tried to repair their fractured relationship. ‘‘I don’t know, man,’’ Cutler said. ‘‘You got his number? We can call him up.’’
Rivers was uncomfortable when the issue was brought up on a conference call with Chicago-area reporters Wednesday. ‘‘I’d rather talk about the Bears, to be honest with you,’’ he said in his native-Alabama drawl.
But it was clear he has no hard feelings. ‘‘We’ve spoken since then, whether it be at the coin toss or the postgame,’’ Rivers said. ‘‘It wasn’t as if we were big buddies beforehand and had a big falling out. He and I had had minimal conversations even before all of that got blown way out of proportion. I have nothing against Jay. I think he’s a heck of a player. He’s a super competitor.’’
They both are, actually, which is why these two guys would probably be pretty good friends if they ever had the chance to know each other. They’re both victims of not being as good as people think they should be. They’ve won big games. They’ve both played in conference championship games. Cutler was 6-for-14 for 80 yards and a 31.8 passer rating against the Packers in January. Rivers was 19-for-37 for 211 yards and two touchdowns and a 46.1 rating against the Patriots in 2008. Stuff happens.
Together, they’re an example of how challenging it is to be a championship quarterback in the NFL. Being good isn’t good enough.
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Both of them have matured since then and thay may downplay it now but there was definitely bad blood between them when Cutler played in Denver.
One thing our defense needs to on guard about it that River will do everything in his power not to be outplayed or shown up by Cutler so we should see the ball in the air plenty on Sunday. Maybe another great opportunity for some picks.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap.
Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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I don't know what to make of the Chargers as a team. At times this season, they've looked brilliant. But then there are those games like with the Raiders and the Chiefs that you just scratch your and think, "Wow."
This team started out 4-1, losing only to the Pats. Since then, they have lost four in a row, all close games. From what I can recall, they would basically hand the games away to their opponent. That pent up frustration that no doubt this team has will make the Chargers very dangerous this week. They're not as bad as their record indicates. If they had been blown out in all five of their losses, I wouldn't worry too much at all. This game is going to be close, and we're going to have to play our very best football in order to pull away with the win.
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So it starts anew, but not really, according to the article.
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So it starts anew, but not really, according to the article.
It's the rivalry that never was, Claws.
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Originally Posted by
BigClaws
So it starts anew, but not really, according to the article.
They say and downplay it now but that's not the way it was out here. There were at least two incidents of on the field mouthing off to one another. Cutler was cutting into Rivers cheese his pro-bowl year and Rivers didn't like it. River is pretty cocky and mouthy. Cutler is also cocky but more the silent type. When Rivers started riding him from the bench one game Cutler strolled over after a three and out to have a few words with Rivers and it was game on after that.
They can say what they want now but I think Cutler comment to the press about calling him up says it all. Rivers may not think it's a big deal since he mouths off all the time anyway but Cutler doesn't have any love for the guy I can guarantee you that. It's just that he's not the type to dig it back up again but he'll remember it on the field come Sunday and they'll each be trying to out do the other.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap.
Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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Updated: November 16, 2011, 10:37 PM ET
QBs coming of age?
Jay Cutler, Philip Rivers apathetic to the rivalry that used to exist
By Jon Greenberg
ESPNChicago.com
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LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- Jay Cutler wasn't having it. Philip Rivers wasn't getting into it either.
Their well-publicized AFC West spat, dating back to 2007, is old news, unfortunately for us, and neither quarterback fired on the other in interviews Wednesday with a hopeful Chicago media.
Like most media sessions at Halas Hall, or anywhere really, Wednesday was a letdown. An expected one, sure -- I mean, what kind of psychopath would still be upset about a trash-talking episode from 2007? -- but a letdown nonetheless.
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The Bears are on a roll, winners of four straight, and the San Diego Chargers come to town desperate to stop a four-game losing streak. This marks the first of four straight games against the putrid AFC West for Chicago, and the Bears will be favored in all four games.
There isn't enough pre-packaged drama in the run-up to an average NFL game, let alone two teams that play every four years.
Thanks to recent games, Bears-Lions is now a rivalry like the ones Cutler left behind in Denver. Now, Cutler makes nice with his NFC North quarterback brethren. He helped Aaron Rodgers' kid brother into Vanderbilt, for god's sake. I don't remember Henry Burris showing that love to Brett Favre.
So yeah, the Cutler-Rivers showdown is an easy storyline for this week's matchup between the Bears and Chargers.
But since they weren't really talking about it, I tried to start a dust-up between backups Caleb Hanie and Billy Volek. Hanie refused to admit one exists, though. "No," Hanie said, laughing. "He's been in the league awhile, hasn't he?"
That's true. Volek should be Hanie's role model. The 36-year-old was signed by Tennessee in 2000, and he built a name as a solid backup who can put up the occasional 400-yard game, and even win a playoff game in relief.
While Hanie tried to fight off my entreaties, Cutler, as is his wont, stiff-armed initial inquiries into his rivalry with Rivers, which blew up when Rivers joined some defensive teammates in seemingly taunting Cutler on the field during a 2007 game.
Some frostiness continued and in a 2008 interview, Cutler told a now-defunct national talk show, "I'm just not that big of a fan of the guy. I don't like how he carries himself. I don't like some of the stuff he does on the field."
It was a natural rivalry as both quarterbacks were around the same age, operating in high-octane offenses, and both are pretty cocky.
Now, of course, Rivers is on Cutler's pay-no mind list. He's basically re-invented himself in Chicago as a sophisticated clotheshorse with the celebrity girlfriend. I'm not even sure Rivers could recognize his old foe without the abandoned Southern swoop haircut.
"I haven't played against him in a few years, so it's kind of different," Cutler said Wednesday. "It's something that's in the past.
"He's a great player. He's still putting up big numbers. They're going to throw the ball down the field. Defensively the way we're playing, hopefully we can shut him down."
In his conference call, Rivers, in his best aw-shucks Alabama tone, said the incident was overblown in the first place.
"We've spoken in the past since then, whether it was at the coin toss or postgame," he said. "It wasn't as if we were big buddies beforehand and had a falling-off. I have nothing against Jay. I think he's a heck of a player and one thing you know about him is he's a super competitor. One thing he's doing right now is leading his team. They've won four in a row and I'm fighting like crazy just to get a win."
That we even remember this incident shows how unlikely a quarterback-on-quarterback drama is in a league where the QBs are more likely to exchange advice about golf clubs or financial advisers.
"I think that's why it got blown up so much," Bears defensive tackle Henry Melton said. "It's a rare moment when you see two quarterbacks going at it, because they really have nothing to do with each other. It just creates a little fire in their rivalry."
Rivers looked to be the winner there even before Cutler bailed out of Denver. He played in seven playoff games before Cutler made his first postseason appearance last season, and was generally regarded as a more complete player.
Now, things have started to shift, if only a little. The reeling Chargers are in a three-way tie for second in the AFC West at 4-5. They missed the playoffs last season with a 9-7 record, finishing one game back of the Chiefs.
Rivers is having his worst season as a pro with 15 interceptions, nine more than Cutler, who has settled down in his second year under Mike Martz. But Rivers is still beating Cutler in completion percentage, 61.4 percent to 58, despite throwing 69 more passes.
However, Cutler's team is 6-3 and looking good, and as Rivers alluded to, his team is fading fast. Hanie wouldn't say if Cutler is privately awaiting this matchup, but he also couldn't promise there wouldn't be some back-and-forth between the two quarterbacks.
Cutler, of course, is more likely to engage with the defense, like he did in the Detroit game after Cliff Avril nailed him with a late hit. Maybe he'll talk trash with former teammate Tommie Harris. Or if Rivers really annoys him, he'll just yell at quarterbacks coach Shane Day.
"He's pretty fiery in that way," Hanie said. "I think our whole team is like that a little bit. We're not going to take anything from anybody, but we're not going to go out and instigate anything either."
The real story of this game is the Bears needing to avoid any kind of letdown after beating Philadelphia and Detroit in consecutive weeks. And while I pray for conflict, and an easy story, Cutler's best bet is to let his play do his talking.
Jon Greenberg is a columnist for ESPNChicago.com.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap.
Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.