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    Devin Hester Is More Than JUST a "Specialist"..........

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    Devin Hester's impact beyond 'specialist'

    November, 18, 2011Nov 18
    9:30
    AM CT

    By Kevin Seifert


    Tasos Katopodis /Getty ImagesDevin Hester is one return away from tying Deion Sanders' NFL record of 19 TD returns of any kind.

    Chicago Bears kick returner/receiver Devin Hester is 29. So it's reasonable to assume the actual debate on his candidacy for the Pro Football Hall of Fame is at least 10 years -- and probably a few more touchdown returns -- away. Already, however, Hester's unique status has conjured discussion about his place in history and whether he'll ultimately be recognized as one of the best players of this era.

    Here are the facts:
    * Less than six years into his career, Hester has obliterated the NFL record for career kick returns for touchdowns. He has 17 in his 85-game career, most recently an 82-yard punt return last Sunday against the Detroit Lions, plus one more in the playoffs. It took Brian Mitchell 223 games to finish with 13, the previous record.

    * When you add in his return of a missed field goal in 2006, Hester is one return away from tying Deion Sanders' NFL record of 19 touchdown returns of any kind. Sanders played in 188 games before retiring.
    * The Hall of Fame has never inducted a player based on his impact as a returner. In fact, there is only one "pure" special-teams player in the Hall: Place-kicker Jan Stenerud. Hester's record-breaking production, not to mention his pace, has spurred passionate discussion among his supporters. Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher provided a particularly direct assessment this week during an interview with ESPN 1000.

    "He's the greatest of all time at what he does," Urlacher said. "And in my opinion, when you're the greatest of all time at your position, you should be in the Hall of Fame. He is a first-ballot Hall of Famer in my opinion. He's going to have 30-something touchdown returns if people keep kicking to him. It's a no-brainer for me. I just don't see how people can not agree with that."

    From my amateur vantage point, the best way to consider Hester as a potential Hall of Fame candidate is to expand the analysis of his impact. It's going to be difficult for voters to elect a player based solely on "30-something" touchdown returns over the course of a decade, if that's indeed what Hester finishes his career with.

    The reality is that punt and kickoff returns make up less than 10 percent of the total plays in an average game; the figures were about 12 of 138 plays in 2010. That's essentially the definition of a specialist who is hard-pressed to make a broad-based impact on games when he is typically exposed to so few opportunities. That's probably why neither Mitchell nor Dante Hall (12 return touchdowns) nor Eric Metcalf (12) have received serious consideration as a Hall of Fame candidate.

    But Urlacher made an important point this week: "He changes every football game he's in."

    Bears' field position with Devin Hester:

    Bears Avg.-------- NFL Avg.
    2006 32.6 3rd 30.4
    2007 34.5 1st 30.7
    2008 33.4 1st 30.3
    2009 32.4 3rd 29.7
    2010 33.7 1st 29.9
    2011 27.4 19th 28.0
    Source: Chicago Bears



    (Kind of interesting that the first year in his career we aren't in the top three in staring field position is the year they decide to move the kick offs up five yards and reduce his opportunities for returns. Why didn't they just be honest and call it the "Devin Hester Rule")

    How? By impacting the Bears' field position. Take a look at the chart accompanying this post, which we present after some dutiful research by Mike Corbo of the Bears' communications office.

    The Bears have had the NFL's best field position, based on the start of their average drive, in three of Hester's five full seasons. They ranked No. 3 in the other two. (All but this year. Kind of funny eh? It's pretty obvious that Devin hasn't lost his skills)

    Multiple factors contributed to that success, including their Bears' strong defense of this era. And it's worth noting that they had top-10 field position in four of the five seasons preceding Hester's arrival. But it would be foolish to ignore the role of Hester's returns and also of kicks intentionally shortened or otherwise diverted by opponents to keep the ball away of him. (And this is just looking at KOR's. How many punts are placed short and OB just to keep it away from him?)

    There are all kinds of politics, waiting games and backlogs involved in election to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Given the difficulty that players like Kevin Greene (160 career sacks) and Cris Carter (1,101 receptions) have had getting attention, it's hard to imagine that a couple-dozen touchdown returns alone would put Hester on track for induction. (But players need to be considered in comparison with their peers at the position they play. As a return specialist and game changer Devin Hester has no peers or at least those he HAD have long since been left in his dust)

    But when you consider him a player that impacts field position all game long, as Hester appears to have done for large portions of his career, then you're moving the conversation away from a specialist and towards the kind of criteria voters are looking for. If you're a proponent of Hester's burgeoning candidacy, that's the direction you need to head. (That's another factor that should be considered. While no one will ever argue that Hester is a polished WR his presence on the field on offense also impacts the game. He may not be the slickest pass catcher on the field but he's not a guy you can ignore either. Those TD's he's made as a WR should be counted in his favor as well. No other player with the possible exception of Gale Sayers has had the impact Hester has both as a KR/PR star AND an offensive player. Maybe some stronger receiving stats would help push him along)
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    Been alot of discussion this week and a few threads about Hester's canidacy for the HOF. It's still a long way off and before it's all said and done Urlacher may be right. He may have 30 returns for TD's before his career is finished if they don't stop kicking to him or move the kickoffs up in more. If it wasn't for some inopportune penalties and a shoe string tackle of two he's have about a half dozen more already.

    I think Seifert makes a good point here in that the body of work of Devin Hester has to be taken into consideration and those TD's are just part of the difference he makes when he's on the field. His mere presence makes team try to play away from or around him and in addition to his incredible return skills he's also had over 2500 yards receiving and 13 more TD's as a WR. So he's never been JUST a "return specialist".

    It's my belief that HOF canidates need to be compared to others who have played the same position. You don't compare Richard Dent to Dick Butkus or Gale Sayers to Sid Luckman. When you look at what Devin Hester has done in comparison to others who play an offensive or defensive position in addition to returning punts and kicks he's plainly contributed just as much as players like Deion Sanders who was a HOF caliber player. Both Sanders and Hester were/are difference makers in the games they've played/play and deserving of recognition for those contributions to the game. Guys like them don't come along very often and the fact that there's backlog of LB's or WR's waiting selection shouldn't prevent them from looking at a very unique history making player like Devin Hester.

    Gale Sayers had a very short career but he was a first ballot HOF'er because he was a difference maker. There was no one else in the game in that era like him. Devin Hester should have that same considersation in this era becasue truly there is no one else quite like him either. He's ridiculous.
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    I still believe that Hester could have been (or still could be) inserted in dime and nickel long yardage situations. The flow of many, many INT returns are very similar to that of punt and kick returns. I'm not saying he'd be great but in certain situations and with the improvement of the WR corps meaning less wr reps potentially. As a three way player you'd but another nail in the coffin of the he's not a HOF'er.
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    Quote Originally Posted by short faced bear View Post
    I still believe that Hester could have been (or still could be) inserted in dime and nickel long yardage situations. The flow of many, many INT returns are very similar to that of punt and kick returns. I'm not saying he'd be great but in certain situations and with the improvement of the WR corps meaning less wr reps potentially. As a three way player you'd but another nail in the coffin of the he's not a HOF'er.
    He came into the league as a CB shorty and that experiment was short lived. They let him try it for one season before they decided to make a WR out of him. He didn't really have the ball skills or tackling ability to play CB in this defense.

    Considering the fact that he's only played 4 years of his entire football career as a WR he's not all that bad and if they could clean up some of his worse habits he'd be a whole lot better. I still think he's grossly misused playing flanker. Now that Bennett has earned his starting role Hester should be working as a slot guy every practice until he master it.

    That gives him more chances for catching short passes that he can break into the open with and puts him up against an opponents #3 CB who couldn't possibly match his speed. If they design some routes for him where both he and Bennett attack the same area the Safety will have to decide which CB to help. Does he cover Hester over the top coming out of the slot or Bennett on those 12-15 yard curls or outs? I'm sure that if we used him better we'd get far more mileage out of him on offense than we do now.
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    I know he wasn't a high rated CB but I'm just conjecturing that if he were a center fielder type DB in 3rd and forever situations it would be interesting to see if he could pick a few and add to his legend. Hell, someone else picks it and laterals it to him etc. If we had some WR's better than Rwill and Knox played to his potential we might start to see more explosive plays out of him.
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    Im curious if the drop in out 2011 field position is due entirely to the new kickoff rule. Sure seems that way.

    Also...give credit to Dave Toub...how many other returners have had ridiculous stats with us as well (DManning, Knox, etc). Hester IS the greatest returner of all time, but he also is playing for one of the greatest ST coaches of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by short faced bear View Post
    I know he wasn't a high rated CB but I'm just conjecturing that if he were a center fielder type DB in 3rd and forever situations it would be interesting to see if he could pick a few and add to his legend. Hell, someone else picks it and laterals it to him etc. If we had some WR's better than Rwill and Knox played to his potential we might start to see more explosive plays out of him.
    Even in third and forever he still has to cover someone of something. I think at that point Lovie is thinking more about stopping the other guys than scoring on them. Besides we've got some guys back there already who can take it to the house.

    I think what you're saying about having better playing partners makes sense. Bennett is gonna make teams take notice but if Bennett is playing in place of Hester that doesn't help him. That's my reasoning behind playing Hester in the slot and Bennett at Flanker instead of the other way around. Line both those guys up to the right and let the other team cope with Bennett's hands and routes coupled with Hester's flat out speed and both have great YAC ability. You overload the pass threat on that side of the field.

    Somewhere along the line we'll get a better WR to play SE. RWill certainly isn't the answer and Knox has speed but lacks the size and savvy to be a true #1 guy. Maybe Windy has a good thought about going after Colston is he becomes a FA. Either than or we take a WR somewhere in the early rounds of the draft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmors View Post
    Im curious if the drop in out 2011 field position is due entirely to the new kickoff rule. Sure seems that way.

    Also...give credit to Dave Toub...how many other returners have had ridiculous stats with us as well (DManning, Knox, etc). Hester IS the greatest returner of all time, but he also is playing for one of the greatest ST coaches of all time.
    I'd interpret is that way. Some teams aren't even trying to kick deep knowing Hester will bring it out even if it's 8 or 9 yards deep so they're hitting punt type kickoffs. The kick high and shallow and let their coverage teams get downfield and try and surround Hester or Knox. Knox hasn't broken any really big returns either so I don't think there's any question it's had an effect. Like I said, they should have just called in the "Devin Hester Rule". All the stuff about lessening injuries doesn't fly with me.
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    so its the devin hester rule, even though in previous years he was not even the primary kick off returner?

    He was the punt returner, they gave the kickoffs to Knox mostly I believe. In 2009 Hester, had seven return attempts. In 2010 Hester had 12.

    Now if they change the punt rules, I will buy your "HesterRule"
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Benjamin View Post
    so its the devin hester rule, even though in previous years he was not even the primary kick off returner?

    He was the punt returner, they gave the kickoffs to Knox mostly I believe. In 2009 Hester, had seven return attempts. In 2010 Hester had 12.

    Now if they change the punt rules, I will buy your "HesterRule"
    Since when did Johnny Knox ever strike fear in the hearts of an opponent like Hester does? Do you really think anyone would institute a "Knox Rule". This year Devin has gone back to returning kicks and punts more than he did over the past few years. Call it a "pre-emptive strike".

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