If you want to just use numbers like "0/10" Gamma, then you have to compare that to the rest of the league. i.e. look up the draft picks for all the teams that year and see how many are still on those teams. For example, you pointed out that in 2002, 0/9 are on our teams...well that was 10 years ago. How many other teams dont have any of their 2002 draft picks on their teams? Id wager quite a few, actually.
Yeah I should do that.. could take eons though. Wish I had that list of players that could of been drafted instead of X. Was a much more detailed list.Originally Posted by Jimmors
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Yeah, it would take awhile, but it would prove a point. You are assuming simply because we dont have alot of our older picks on the team, that we failed at drafting. But, im willing to bet that it is quite common for teams not to have alot of their older picks on the team. And even those that DO have picks from 10, 11 or 12 years ago, those picks are perennial pro-bowlers, like Urlacher, or Ray Lewis, or Peyton Manning, etc. And even IF a team had multiple of those picks, is that really a good thing? to have so many 30+ year old players on your team? Even if they ARE probowlers? Thats doubling down on the present at the risk of the future.
I don't ever remember reading that JA did much as far as turnover in the scouting dept. Certainly he would know where he is deficient (OL, WR) which is why he tried to delve into FA for the OL constantly.
A stat I'd like to see is how many times positions like defense were re-drafted compared to other teams. It's easy to be known for finding defensive gems if you get more shots on goal at them in the draft.
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Yeah, good point. I don't think a lot of players are left from those years except players like that.
But I just threw together this list from the start of his career with the Bears to the end. That's what that list is about. Just who's remaining with the team.
I agree. Angelo wasn't great at drafting, but he also wasn't always horrid. Yeah, he had a lot of bad picks and that caused depth issues.
not as detailed, but it speaks volumes. Not all those people should be on the team, but you would expect from 5 years back moving forward multiple impact players from each draft. And JA lacks in those impact players from the 06 and 07 drafts, he did well in 08, and 09 and '10 are still up in the air, but it's not looking great, the 11 is just to early to tell, but we didnt get a year 'round impact player from this past draft either, that's not great drafting.
I'm more interested in the last 5 years, b/c that is where he really got in trouble in my opinion; and their should be impact players still on this team those drafts; not necessarily so many from the previous ones. But these guys should either just be out of their rookie deal or still in it.
2006 (1 of 6) not good enough, and DM wasn't a huge impact player either, which is why he is no longer here
2a. S Danieal Manning: Star returner never as good as his tools.
2b. WR Devin Hester: Best all-time KR; disappointing as WR. This was still a reach, you don't draft st players in the 2nd round, and he was drafted as a CB which failed miserably.
3. DT Dusty Dvoracek: Flashed talent but injuries took toll
4. LB Jamar Williams: Special-teamer and fringe backup, this is what you get from the 4th round, no reason to be positive, it's neutral.
5. DE Mark Anderson: Never matched 12-sack rookie season .Not sure why this one is a plus, one good year and nothing. not neg, but not pos either.
6a. RB J.D. Runnels: Hurt a lot; played very little
6b. OG Tyler Reed: Looked and played like a furniture mover
2007 (2 of 6) not good enough, not enough impact although if we hadn't had Martz maybe he does.
1. TE Greg Olsen: Productive receiver, traded to Panthers
2. DE Dan Bazuin: Bust who couldn’t overcome injuries
3a. RB Garrett Wolfe: Biggest contributions were on S-T
3b. LB Michael Okwo: Couldn’t play a lick
4. OG Josh Beekman: Failed in only season as a starter
5a. S Kevin Payne: Great in ’08, then he disappeared. Nothing special about this guy.
5b. CB Corey Graham: Pro Bowl special-teamer, solid backup great find in the 5th round
7a. CB Trumaine McBride: Enjoyed some early success
7b. OT Aaron Brant: Never even got his feet wet
2008 by far his best draft while here, pro bowl rb, solid wr, ave late round talent
1. OL Chris Williams: Marginal starter ended season on I.R. Solid G, but was drafted as a LT, and injuries have prevented him from making huge season long impacts
2. RB Matt Forte: Pro Bowler; Angelo’s best offensive pick
3a. WR Earl Bennett: Solid possession guy has shown flashes
3c. DT Marcus Harrison: Fat and lazy no way to go through life
4. S Craig Steltz: Coming off best season, started last 4 games
5a. CB Zack Bowman: Starter in ’09 played way out of lineup
5c. TE Kellen Davis: Strong blocker led team with 5 TD catches
7a. DE Ervin Baldwin: Good college pass rusher who flopped
7b. OG Chester Adams: One of many OL’s lacking in NFL talent
7c. LB Joey LaRocque: Brief stay as special teamer
7d. OT Kirk Barton: See Chester Adams
7e. WR Marcus Monk: Better basketball player
2009 3 players, 1 or 2 imact players, but for where we were drafting the best he could do.
3b. DT Jarron Gilbert: Better in pool than on field
3c. WR Juaquin Iglesias: Good college player lacked special skills
4a. DT Henry Melton: Coming off breakout season with 7 sacks
4b. CB D.J. Moore: Valuable, little nickel guy makes big plays, good pick up, but nothing special
5a. WR Johnny Knox: Big-play guy must overcome back injury. got a lot of use and quality use out of him.
5b. LB Marcus Freeman: Smart guy who couldn’t play
6. S Al Afalava: Flavor of the month who quickly fizzled
7b. OL Lance Louis: 2011 ORT starter who belongs at OG
7c. WR Derek Kinder: Big and physical, but not very good
2010 1 potential starter, and that's up in the air, i'll leave it green b/c it was the 7th round.
3. S Major Wright: Hurt a lot; hasn’t put it all together yet, you mark him as green then talk about how little he's done, so far he's a bust
4. DE Corey Wootton: Hasn’t done much; make or break in 2012, how is this guy a positive, much like manderson, all hype no production
5. CB Joshua Moore: Practice squadder running out of time
6. QB Dan LeFevour: Should’ve kept him instead of Caleb Hanie, not sure why you think this, he was taken from us by CLE, and now is w/the Jags...he's nothing special.
7. OT J’Marcus Webb: OLT starter had ups and downs in 2011
2011 2 guys w/potential, none made an impact yet. that's not a good draft and probably the straw that broke Angelo's back.
1. OT Gabe Carimi: Looked like real deal until knee injury. book is still out on him; but there were red flags on this guy for the same reason as CW. but in the 1st round you need an instant impact and we didn't get that.
2. DT Stephen Paea: Showed flashes but needs to do more, again 2nd round player, need instant impact and he didn't show it.
3. S Chris Conte: Ankle injury derailed promising season
5. QB Nathan Enderle: Never got a chance but could move up
6. LB J.T. Thomas: Latest in long line of LB’s who can’t play; then why is he showing green?
7. RB Harvey Unga: Harvey, we hardly knew ye.
That's 11 green colored players out of 5 drafts and 5 of those were from the 08 season. so really 6 from 4 drafts. That's not good enough.
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