Thread: Lovie should be fired.

Yeah, I don't get it either. I think we were all taught never to do things half-assed.

Go big or go home, McCaskey.

Man... I dunno. I still think the position will look attractive to a potential GM... because unless Lovie & co. wins and gets them to the playoffs next year, you can pretty much bet he's out of here and the new GM can look for someone he and ownership likes. It's like a win/win for the new GM... he joins the Bears organization and Lovie & co either wins, and the GM looks great ("Look what I did in only 1 year!") or Lovie & co loses and the GM gets his new staff ("now let me show you what I can do without one arm tied behind my back!")

I think the job that is going to be hard to fill is the OC position... whoever comes in at OC has to be looking at this situation and be thinking "Yikes... I won't have very long to get this offense rolling and comfortable. I pretty much have to win immediately, or I'm out of here withint the first two seasons when the give Lovie the boot."

Which leads me to ... Tice. I (like many) think they are gonna move Tice to OC. Same West Coast/Air Coryell style of coaching, and they won't have to worry about overpaying for someone experienced... or trying to lure some assistant who is looking for a good opportunity with rotten bait. They can just promote Tice and pay him jack shit without changing too much on offense.

Ok then is there or is there not a SB/playoff window? If it isn't sure go ahead and fire Lovie. If it is then you keep all your assistants and force next year to be a make or brake year. And if you dismantle then completely dismantle as in some of the older players and start from the ground up.

Lovie isn't going any damn where. He's been the best Bears HC not named Halas or Ditka. If Cutler and Forte don't have freak injuries this isn't even a discussion.

Mike Martz was in charge of offensive personnel decisions btw. The only reason Hanie was still our back-up is that Enderle struggled mightily in preseason.

Originally Posted by smokeglack

I joined this forum to vent some frustration. Glad to be here btw, looks like a solid "den".

I'll start with Angelo. I think it was a terrible move. Some of the media said that "his draft picks" were blahhh. Well in 8 years as a GM, look at the players he did draft and free agency moves. He was the person behind all the Cutler, Briggs (negotiation), Forte (well he short changed him so far, but drafted him) Peppers. This whole new dynamic team that was 7-2 (3?) could be all transferred to his signings. I heard on ESPN they even attributed Benson to his demise as draft picks? Really? Well Benson went on to be some hell of a truckload and plower for Cincinnati, didn't he? Think maybe he grew up as a man as well, but I have no problem with him drafting Benson. As a matter of fact, Jones was working great for us at the time, so he wasn't as valuable anyway.

The Bears have always been a low market free agency team. Well Angelo changed a lot of that!

I blame Angelo this year for one main thing!! After week 1 and possibly after the 1st half of Hanies 2nd game, he should have been on the phone. It was evident that he was gonna kill the team. He could have gotten Mcnaab and told Lovie" hey here's here in case ya need him'.

But to fire him because of, IMO......... No way!


POINT 2: I don't believe that Lovie Smith is one of the top 15 pure head coaches in the league. But, what I do give Lovie Smith credit for, and tons of it, is that he surrounds and hires the best type personnel in the league. Great coaches put themselves in a position to rely on the expertise of each side of the ball. He surronds and "gets" coaches to sign up with the Bears when they are surely capable of better jobs. I blame Lovie way more for this fiasco season of an ending than Angelo. He should have recognized early on in 2nd game that Hanie was hurting more than helping. He could have gone to Mcnown a lot sooner and didnt'. The playoff miss is squarely on Lovie, not Angelo.

Anyway, good to be here and lets go Bears!!

Welcome.

I am gonna have to disagree a bit tho.

Martz wants and requests a veteran backup. Angelo ignores said requests and keeps the great Caleb Hanie (who almost has as many TDs to defensive players as offensive players, including one in the most important game I can remember, maybe even more than the Superbowl). Caleb Hanie fails, again. Angelo goes hunting for veteran backup when it is too late. Not sure how that falls on Lovie, when clearly Angelo has little interest in listening to coaches requests.

Hanie's abysmal play and lack of preparation lands on Mike Martz and Shane Day. Not really on Lovie.

The NFL is a constantly changing landscape... and every year it shifts more and more towards high powered offense. Angelo can evaluate defensive talent, but when the defensive line is decent, we don't need to keep drafting DTs in high rounds when we have a pathetic O-line. He and his team just couldn't scout offense. That's why you end up spending mutliple high picks to pick up people like Jay Cutler (don't get me wrong, I liked the move, especially bc I know Angelo can't evaluate offensive talent).

Forte was a good pick. Bennett was a good pick. Olsen was a good pick (which he traded before departing). Ummm... I'm drawing a blank on other good offensive picks... Knox was pretty good?

Anyways... my point is, the NFL changed. Angelo couldn't change with it.