Thread: Here's One More Nail in the Coffin of Angelo's Demise............

Originally Posted by motownbear

The kreutz ordeal was purely a firable offense not cause of not resigning him but because we targeted him in the first place. Ja offered a player who had nothing left in the tank a 4 mil contract. He did The same nonsense with Reuben brown just so his dumb ass didn't have to depend on his shoddy scouting abilities to find a legit center. We are damn lucky garza was serviceable

Garza was actually pretty good last year. I'm glad that he got extended for the next couple of seasons. In a sense, I'm glad that we didn't re-sign Olin Kreutz because his heart wasn't in the right place to play professional football anymore. He was named captain of the Saints offense in his first year with the team, and then he bails on them and goes into retirement? No fucking way! Besides, we got a better deal with Garza and more production out of him this year than we had gotten out of Kreutz and his penalty-riddled ass in the previous five seasons.

Originally Posted by motownbear

At 7 mil a year I can find you plenty of tes that shit on Olsen. Martz has a problem utilizing talent fine but oldes did not improve minus martz. Look at Vernon Davis numbers of a te who improved minus martz. Olsen is an average player we could do way better with the money. There are plenty of reasons ja suck dick this isn't one of them

Who said anything about giving Olsen $7 mil per year? Did Carolina give him that much? No, the average annual $$$ of his deal is $4.9 mil but only $6.2 mil is guaranteed. His cap cost this coming year is a little over $4 mil so I don't know where that $ 7 mil comes from mo.

Greg Olsen may have been an average all around TE but he was an above average pass catcher and we basically traded off his production for Roy Williams. Not a real good bargain I'd say. I think the real point to be made here is that Angelo traded him away because he didn't want to pay him because he didn't fit in Martz's offense. At that time how did he even know Martz would be around in 2012. He'd already turned down an extension and he was plainly chafed by the restrictions put on him.

It's just another example of the illogical moves Angelo has made. Just like signing Chester Taylor before we even knew what Kahlil Bell could do given half a chance. The kid cracked off a 72 yard run on his first play from scrimmage and averaged 4.5 ypc backing Forte in 2009. The kid was a good back. You could see it then and you can see it now. Was the Taylor signing another Martz request?

Originally Posted by Dagan81

Where is there a list of free agents that will be available this offseason, soul? I'm interested in seeing how this will work. Does NFL.com have a list or has it yet to have been compiled?

Too early for an accurate list. I may be able to find one that lists the UFA's but many of those guys will be resigned before they become official free agents.

Originally Posted by soulman

Who said anything about giving Olsen $7 mil per year? Did Carolina give him that much? No, the average annual $$$ of his deal is $4.9 mil but only $6.2 mil is guaranteed. His cap cost this coming year is a little over $4 mil so I don't know where that $ 7 mil comes from mo.

Greg Olsen may have been an average all around TE but he was an above average pass catcher and we basically traded off his production for Roy Williams. Not a real good bargain I'd say. I think the real point to be made here is that Angelo traded him away because he didn't want to pay him because he didn't fit in Martz's offense. At that time how did he even know Martz would be around in 2012. He'd already turned down an extension and he was plainly chafed by the restrictions put on him.

It's just another example of the illogical moves Angelo has made. Just like signing Chester Taylor before we even knew what Kahlil Bell could do given half a chance. The kid cracked off a 72 yard run on his first play from scrimmage and averaged 4.5 ypc backing Forte in 2009. The kid was a good back. You could see it then and you can see it now. Was the Taylor signing another Martz request?

If I had been Martz, I would have switched Olsen from TE to WR. He was so valuable as a pass catcher and we wasted that talent. I still think Kellen Davis can be a great TE with a little work on his blocking with Tice. If you had those two guys in the game catching passes, Olsen as a receiver and Davis as the tight end, a lot of the red zone issues would have been taken care of.

Originally Posted by motownbear

Now here is a reason to shit on ja garbage legacy wtf gm depends on pure garbage trash like Webb as his lt lmfao. He did the same shit with q mitchel and got another oc canned over it lol

Which should have made him all the more aggressive towards finding another LT and he failed to do it. It's hard to figure how he blew the Bushrod deal when all NO was offering him was a 2 year deal with no signing bonus.

Originally Posted by motownbear

The kreutz ordeal was purely a firable offense not cause of not resigning him but because we targeted him in the first place. Ja offered a player who had nothing left in the tank a 4 mil contract. He did The same nonsense with Reuben brown just so his dumb ass didn't have to depend on his shoddy scouting abilities to find a legit center. We are damn lucky garza was serviceable

Whether or not we'd have been better off with Kruetz or without as we were it was still sloppy work on JA's part. The final straw was his one hour ultimatum to a guy who'd been the backbone of your Oline for 10 years. Ruben Brown gave us a couple of solid years before he went downhill. The Garza thing worked but all that drama with Kruetz didn't make him look very good in the eyes of the fans and it went against what the coaching staff wanted.

Originally Posted by motownbear

Now here is a reason to shit on ja garbage legacy wtf gm depends on pure garbage trash like Webb as his lt lmfao. He did the same shit with q mitchel and got another oc canned over it lol

Originally Posted by motownbear

The kreutz ordeal was purely a firable offense not cause of not resigning him but because we targeted him in the first place. Ja offered a player who had nothing left in the tank a 4 mil contract. He did The same nonsense with Reuben brown just so his dumb ass didn't have to depend on his shoddy scouting abilities to find a legit center. We are damn lucky garza was serviceable

Originally Posted by motownbear

Ric you are shocked that Olsen led our team in receptions lol. Hester was our number one wr someone had to catch something. He is average

Graham
Hernandez
Gronkowski
Pettigrew
Celek
Witten
Gonzales
Winslow
Davis
Fred Davis
Gates

I just names all that without looking at a list they all shit on him. I would save te 7 mil for a number one wr screw olsen

Once again Olsen wasn't asking for nor is he getting $7 mil per year. Actually there's less than that guaranteed in his contract which is 5 years for $24,700 total but $13mil plus comes in years 4 and 5 and he may never see that. It's more like he's making around a $3mil per year for 2011-2013.

Jerry Angelo committed hubris on so many levels this past offseason that it had to be a given that he was going to be fired as GM of the Bears. To screw over a lifelong Bear like Kreutz was just awful, and it essentially ruined his desire to ever play football again. On top of that, he went against what the coaches wants in so many ways with that call. He, as soul mentioned, didn't get Bushrod, didn't even try to go out after Sidney Rice, whiffed on Willie Colon, and then brought in the Dallas connection with what must have been his thought in mind that "America's Team" would contribute to the Bears' long term success. What he found was a bunch of shit that came out of a deal: a drug pusher, a WR who can't hold onto the damn ball, and a really dumb running back. I think that the Sam Hurd fiasco played a lot into the decision to fire Angelo since it was he who brought that negative publicity to the doorstep of Halas Hall, whether he knew it or not.