Thread: CHICAGO BEARS 2012 Draft

Originally Posted by jackiejokeman

Hey guys I'm just saying that if we struggle on OL ...

and players that we passed on,go on to the Pro-Bowl with other teams as rookies ...

at that point in time we all better be pissed.

Just my opinion ... but I think the Steelers aced us in the draft at OL.

We could have had everyone of those thru careful draft management.

I know what DAA BEARRSSE OL looked like last season ...

I know that CUTLER took the hit for it.

I think all of us would agree that OL was issue #1 or issue #2.

Instead it was issue zero in the draft.

Do you think that what we already have ...with Tice as the heads up guy,

who in effect said we dont need anything more,

with what we already had from last season,

is the answer?

This from the same guy who saw need to sign Nnamdi Asomugha last off season.

Originally Posted by jackiejokeman

Hey guys I'm just saying that if we struggle on OL ...

and players that we passed on,go on to the Pro-Bowl with other teams as rookies ...

at that point in time we all better be pissed.

Just my opinion ... but I think the Steelers aced us in the draft at OL.

We could have had everyone of those thru careful draft management.

I know what DAA BEARRSSE OL looked like last season ...

I know that CUTLER took the hit for it.

I think all of us would agree that OL was issue #1 or issue #2.

Instead it was issue zero in the draft.

Do you think that what we already have ...with Tice as the heads up guy,

who in effect said we dont need anything more,

with what we already had from last season,

is the answer?

Going into the offseason the three main needs were WR, Dline and Oline and you can mix those anyway you want. One was no more important than another. We made a huge step towards solving the WR dilemma when we traded for Marshall. How often do you get a top 5 All-Pro WR for two 3rd round picks? One a future pick that has the value of a current fourth or fifth. Great move and one ship down.

So we go into the draft with two main requirements. Dline (DE/Pass Rusher to be more specific) and Oline (LT to be most specific) and we have the #19 pick with no real hope of moving up for Matt Kalil who was THE ONLY LT in this draft who could have walked in and started over who we have day one. No one else was a 100% sure thing at LT. Not Reiff (the only other 1st rounder) and not Martin or Adams who didn't even get drafted until round two. That should tell you that this years OT's weren't anywhere near as good as last years when 5 went in round one.

So that left us with DE as next up on the needs list and for our purposes we got the very best one we could get. That need outstripped any need we had for an OG which is what DeCastro plays. He's not an OT and can't be moves there either. Will DeCastro become a pro-bowler before McClellin? Probably, but we had a much greater need for a LDE who could give us 10 plus sacks per year and numerous other impact plays on defense more than we needed an OG, future pro-bowler or not. DeCastro is the only other guy still on the board who as a talent may have made sense but he was not ranked higher on the Bears board because we didn't need an OG as badly as we did a DE. I think we've all accepted this now. Or at least most of us have, LOL.

So in round two we do have some choices as far as Olineman are concerned but none of them were sure things at LT either and none of them rated as high on either an impact scale or on the Bears board as Jeffery who probably could have been a top 20 choice if he hadn't messed up his senior year at S. Carolina. Everybody was screaming for Michael Floyd at one time or another and here's a guy who once rated just as highly and may turn out to be a better pro. Looks like getting him in the second round may turn out to be as big a bargain is robbing Miami of Marshall for two thirds.

Emery spoke about both of these picks after the draft and he admitted that there were Olineman they had ranked pretty high on their board in two but none as highly as they had Jeffery rated. We even gave up a 5th round pick to jump in front of San Diego to get him and the Chargers seem to know their shit when it comes to drafting second round WR's (like Vincent Jackson) so it seems like it was a good call and now most everybody (but you LOL) seem to be happy we drafted him and not Cordy Glenn or some other 350lb behemoth of an OG.

Then after the draft was over we signed the #1 Oline prospect and #2 overall in the entire UDFA class. A guy most had rated as anywhere from a 3rd to 5th round pick but who slipped because of off field issues. In another year or so we may know whether that was a real good move or a real bad one. If this kid can put on another 10-20lbs of muscle bulk and can play both OT and OG he may be just as good or better than anyone we could have drafted in the 2nd round and we didn't even need to spend a draft pick on him. There are a ton of guys who have become pro-bowl NFL lineman who were drafted in the 5th round or later and some of them were UDFA too. So you can't say the need was totally overlooked. It wasn't.

And last, as I and a few others have pointed out, after Cutler told Martz to "go fuck himself" and began to run that offense "his way" rather than "Martz way" he was only sacked five times in five games behind a patchwork line with four guys playing the positions they played for the first time in their entire NFL careers. You had an RG (Garza) at OC, and OC (Spencer) at RG, a LG/RG (Louis) at RT and Webb playing his first year as an NFL LT. Only CWill was playing LG for the second year in a row and he got hurt again. These guys blocked well enough for our RB's to rush for over 1700 yards and before Hanie came in to replace Cutler, and that arrogant prick Martz went back to exposing him with his old schemes, the pass blocking was improving.

So there was a few rays of sunshine amongst the thunder and lightning that the season began with. If Cutler hadn't gone down we would have made the playoffs and possibly more behind those guys for a second year in a row. So yeah, there's some cause to be optimistic for just one more year and believe in what Tice and Holt can do with them. If they don't get the job done or even if they dont' get it done well enough I don't think you'll see Emery hesitate to spend next offseason solving that problem the same way he did when he went about solving other this year.

Now lighten up!

Originally Posted by Dagan81

This from the same guy who saw need to sign Nnamdi Asomugha last off season.

Whats wrong with signing Asomugha?

BTW ... If CUTLER gets planted as usual ...

don't say I didnt warn yah.

And also Dags, how many make believe Asomughas did we draft in the later rounds?

Who are camp fodder?

Why not just get the original?

Originally Posted by jackiejokeman

Soul, Im taking part of your post into play :

"Then after the draft was over we signed the #1 Oline prospect and #2 overall in the entire UDFA class. A guy most had rated as anywhere from a 3rd to 5th round pick but who slipped because of off field issues. In another year or so we may know whether that was a real good move or a real bad one. If this kid can put on another 10-20lbs of muscle bulk and can play both OT and OG he may be just as good or better than anyone we could have drafted in the 2nd round and we didn't even need to spend a draft pick on him. There are a ton of guys who have become pro-bowl NFL lineman who were drafted in the 5th round or later and some of them were UDFA too. So you can't say the need was totally overlooked. It wasn't."


Now Soul you would have to ask yourself when it comes to keeping CUTLER upright ...

a first round draft pick who has PRO-BOWL written all over him ...

or a 7th rounder ... or worse yet ... an UDFA?

I have seen that CUTLER is jumping up and down about the OL that he doesnt know.

First of all WHICH 1st round player are you referring to jackie?

I've already posted that we couldn't draft Kalil so who else would you have taken to solve the problem at LT which is where the majority of the sacks and pressures were coming from. If we drafted DeCastro, who is an OG, we still have an issue with Webb at LT don't we? So why would that have solved the problem at LT?

If we take Reiff we take a guy who by the time the draft rolled around most everyone had pegged as playing RT at least to start his career and a guy with physical limitations that may prevent him from ever being a top pass blocker. Reiff was not rated higher as a LT than Gabe Carimi was last year and Gabe is playing RT and Tice insists that barring an emergency that's where he'll stay at least for now. So there was no real need for Reiff.

No matter how good David DeCastro may be he can still only block one man and the idea that just playing him next to Webb would help Webb with his real problems is just not accurate. Webb makes as ton of mental mistakes and commits stupid drive ending penalties. Whoever is playing next to him won't stop that from happening. Webb gets beat by smart DE's who use double moves to set him up and come back inside him and get a direct shot at Cutler. Garza may be able to help with that but the LG is tied up with his own man so he can't help. Webb gets beat by good speed rushes when he doesn't setup right and take them around the back of the pocket. DeCastro can't help there either.

You can't solve Webb's problems by who you play next to him. Webb and the coaches need to do it or we need to replace him with CWill for now, or in a last ditch effort give Carmi a shot at it to see if he can do any better. After Kalil there wasn't another LT in the draft who was a 100% sure thing to replace Webb. This was not a good draft for OT's in general and even less so for "road ready" LT's. This constant harping on not drafting an Olineman in the first round is useless. We got the best player to fill a spot that was a need equal to LT because he was the best player on our board at that time. Obviously DeCastro wasn't because we didn't take him.

Talk to me three years from now about the signing of James Brown. Lots of UDFA's have become very good NFL lineman and a few have become All-Pros. It takes time for these guys to develop and there are just many or more failed high draft picks as there are successes. How many have labeled CWill a bust and he was the 14th player taken in the first round. Rookie Olineman who become immediate Pro-Bowlers as you claim are incredibly few.

We did what we did and if the line doesn't improve we work on correcting it next year but to spend the rest of this year rehashing the draft is a huge waste of everyone's time including your. Like Don Henley sang; "Get Over It".

Remember: when soul says it's so, by God, it's the law!