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Originally Posted by
soulman 
I see it differently Jimmors. While I agree with you about not whistling that particular play dead other crews have done exactly the opposite and cost teams scores. On at least three other occasions there have been headlines made over those missed calls. That's a huge error in judgement that comes from being too quick to whistle a play dead. Another thing is that for the most part all of these playoff games seem under officiated. They let the teams go at it as opposed to becoming too influential in the outcome. You can't make a bad call if you don't make one at all.
The other area where I see them make a lot of mistakes is one those roughing or helmet to helmet calls. Yes, they blew that one yesterday but they blow a lot of them. This an area I think needs some clarification by the rules committee. I'm all for protecting the QB but you can't put a barrier around him to do it. If the hit isn't late and the helmet to helmet incidental, meaning the rusher didn't lead with it or intentionally try to spear or injure it shouldn't be called. That call yesterday was terrible and Rodgers has the mobility to easily avoid sacks at times and IMO that should be taken into consideration. How many sacks did the Bears miss this year because guys pulled up at the last second to avoid a late hit only to see a mobile passer escape?
Every other major sport uses full time officials for their games. Goodelll isn't talking about the entire crew being full time guys but I certainly think that at the very least the referee should be a full time guy since he's the head of the crew and makes the final decision on rules calls. So at the very least he should be an expert on that.
I really don't know if officiating has gotten any worse but to me that's beside the point. With the money the sport generates and the importance of the position to the outcome of a game at least the ref should be a pro don't you think?
Im not claiming they are perfect, because they arent. They will make mistakes. They are human.
However, they have the Coach's challenge to reduce the number of errors, and the majority of the time...it works. We get to see the replays a dozen times to CLEARLY see if the call is correct or not, they usually bring Mike Perraira to explain the rules and why or why it wont be overturned. So yeah...they arent perfect, but there are tools in place to reduce the wrong calls occurrence drastically.
Of course, that Packers game had 2 wrong calls: the Helmet-to-helmet on Rodgers that was NOT, it was more like shoulder to shoulder. And the Fumble call that was clearly a fumble, and challenged and STILL upheld as non-fumble, even though everyone commentating on it saw the fumble.
I think the refs overall do an excellent job of officiating. Yes, its easy to spot the missed calls and non-calls, but we always forget the hundreds of correct calls they make each week, which vastly outweigh the few misses.
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I agree overall they do call a good game for the most part. And I agree they make more right calls than wrong ones. I don't see how having at least one full time member of the crew, preferably the referee, would hurt anything though. It may not improve things at all after all it was the ref who looked at Jennings fumble on replay and still blew the call but I can't see it making anything worse.
Maybe the league feels they have a better control of the crew when one guy is a league employee as opposed to an independent contracted to referee the game. In any event they'll probably give it a try on a temporary basis to begin with like they do most new things. I just think it's strange that the richest and most popular sport in the country uses part time officials when they could easily afford to hire them for the 17 weeks of the season.
Of course there's always the old if it ain't broke don't fix it side of it too. They've done it this way for 80+ years.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. 
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Shouldn't we just review every play? More time to drink beer on the couch.
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The one rule I want ENFORCED is HOLDING !!!!!!!!!!!! It's gotton to the point where it's a given to be allowed to hold. Every team does it. It's like they give the players 2 second of allowed holding, and them maybe the refs will call it if it goes on longer. Just stop it all together. My rant.
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Originally Posted by
BigClaws Shouldn't we just review every play? More time to drink beer on the couch.
Only you and kegger could come up with a solution like that. 
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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Originally Posted by
yttocs The one rule I want ENFORCED is HOLDING !!!!!!!!!!!! It's gotton to the point where it's a given to be allowed to hold. Every team does it. It's like they give the players 2 second of allowed holding, and them maybe the refs will call it if it goes on longer. Just stop it all together. My rant.
That's probably the most inconsistently officiated call in the entire game. There were times when guys had Pep in a choke hold and it wasn't called. Sometimes I question the timing of those calls too. There's no easier call to make to influence the outcome of a play than that. Most of the time you don't see it until they replay it anyway.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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Originally Posted by
soulman Only you and kegger could come up with a solution like that.
I made keg.
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Here's a novel idea ....... Hire 16-18 (extra ones for sickness reasons etc. as backups / rotate them in) full time officials, put them up in the replay booth and have THEM make all the calls on replays and take it out of the on-field refs hands. Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by
omc1969 Here's a novel idea ....... Hire 16-18 (extra ones for sickness reasons etc. as backups / rotate them in) full time officials, put them up in the replay booth and have THEM make all the calls on replays and take it out of the on-field refs hands. Just a thought.
I think those replay guys are full timers working for the league omc. For my part I want to see the refs become full time guys who can recite the rules in their sleep and aren't afraid to over rule another official when he thinks the guy got the call wrong. Make the whole officiating crew answerable to that guy and have him write competency reports on the others.
I don't know. That may sound kind of severe but as it stands there is no immediate on field accountabilty for a bad call unless it can be challenged and reviewed and there's a limit to what can be challenged. There's also a limit on the number of challenges and a penalty if the call isn't overturned. Let the referee have more on field responsibility the way the home plate umpire has in baseball or the referee in hockey.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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Hold people accountable for thier actions, NO. What a new concept. LOL If a REF , linejudge ect... make to may bad / miss calls demote them. I'm not sure , but doesn't each level of REFing pay different?
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