Thread: Martz is History so Time to Start Throwing to the TE Again..............

Originally Posted by motownbear

and we said that over and over and over again before we hired him. We knew he wasnt going to get the players required to let his scheme work and we knew the players we had didnt fit his scheme. It was one big blunder in a line of blunders of Lovie Smith hires.

if they really wanted to run the air coryell there are gms that utilize the te in that system. Al Saunders did the best in that system with Gonzales and later on with the Skins made Cooley look amazing. But you know the Bears trend backwards ass thinking like usual

Oh I'm with you on the Martz hire. In my mind he was always a poor choice. I never liked the guy from the get go once I saw what he was trying to accomplish. His refusal to throw to TE was just his personal variation on a theme and when you have a TE like Manu then you can easily see why. The guy stubbornly refused to adapt to the talent on hand but then again we should have known that coming in.

I think he was more of a last ditch choice as far as Angelo was concerned buy Lovie's cronyism got him in the door. That's OC mistake number two for Lovie. I won't hold Turner against him since that wasn't really his choice. So Shea and Martz are both his failures. Doesn't it seem a little crazy to bring in pass oriented OC's when you want to run the ball? In Shea's case we lacked a QB to run his offense and with Martz it was WR and Olineman. (facepalm, head shake, shrug).

Tice makes OC number three and if this fails, especially after the new GM gets him some better offensive tool, which I'm certain he will, it becomes three and out for Lovie and his crew as well. If they don't make the playoffs and serious run at the NFCC next year it's pretty likely the broom will hit them is the ass too.

Originally Posted by motownbear

Don't forget babich and drake. And to go further guys like pep Hamilton and letting go the dline coach for another one of his cronies after the SUPERBOWL year. Lots of pathetic moves by lovie. I really don't like situations when coaches have too much power with players and assistants.

Hamilton went somewhere as a college OC, Stanford maybe? Don't know if he was that bad of just too inexperienced for the pros. I don't know how to evaluate Babich. He sucked as a DC but either he's a good LB coach or it's just that the guys we have need very little coaching.

Drake I don't understand. He and Tim Spencer have been coaching WR's and RB's respectively for about as long as Lovies been here. Spencer seems to do alright but I wonder if in his case it's more about teaching blocking assignments and blitz pickup. I think a RB either knows how to run or he doesn't?

As far as Drake is concerned I'm not really sure how he keeps his job as little success as we've had with WR draftees. I don't know. Maybe Lovie feels sorry for him because he usually has crap to work with.

We have plenty of opportunities to draft a solid TE this year within the first 100 draft picks. Soul, I like your analysis, and really appreciate your listing the top TE's in the league and their draft positions from over the years. Not everyone comes across as a Tony Gonzalez and is drafted in the first round, so we can just put that one out of our heads right now. We have more pressing needs than even TE if that's possible, so elevating a TE to being drafted in the first round is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by soulman

Hamilton went somewhere as a college OC, Stanford maybe? Don't know if he was that bad of just too inexperienced for the pros. I don't know how to evaluate Babich. He sucked as a DC but either he's a good LB coach or it's just that the guys we have need very little coaching.

Drake I don't understand. He and Tim Spencer have been coaching WR's and RB's respectively for about as long as Lovies been here. Spencer seems to do alright but I wonder if in his case it's more about teaching blocking assignments and blitz pickup. I think a RB either knows how to run or he doesn't?

As far as Drake is concerned I'm not really sure how he keeps his job as little success as we've had with WR draftees. I don't know. Maybe Lovie feels sorry for him because he usually has crap to work with.

lol, I would say that Lovie has some sympathy for Daryl Drake, soul.

Anyway, you're right in saying that there is a big difference in the number of talented players that the two coaches Spencer and Drake have had to work with over the years. Spencer has had some excellent running backs (Forte, Jones, and for a while, Benson, before he became a bum). Look at his current stable of backs he has this year: he had Forte, Barber, and Bell who were all excellent at gaining yards on the ground, the mental lapses in judgment in the case of Barber non-withstanding. The interesting thing is that the Bears ranked 8th in rushing this year with an offensive line that was average at best, and improved dramatically over the course of 2010 with adjusted blocking assignments and balanced play calling. I think Spencer is good, though I think he is a product also of what the other coaches (Martz and Tice) gave him in the past two seasons.

As far as Drake, though, I think he has been the victim of poor drafts at the WR position. The two best receivers to come along during the Lovie Smith era have been Earl Bennett and Johnny Knox. Bennett has often been injured, so we may never know just how talented he can be unless he goes through a period of time whereby he is healthy. Knox has been inconsistent - one season, he nearly gains 1,000 receiving yards, but then the next year he only catches, what, 35 passes for over 500 yards? That to me is unacceptable. And all the other WRs that have come along over the course of that time on Lovie Smith's watch have fallen far short of expectations. I don't know whether to blame Drake for that or to say that the drafts have been poor.

Originally Posted by motownbear

That douchbag54 also talked against martz before hired he only loved the move once he got hired intypical homer fashion

He currently is against ruskell I bet if he gets the job he will homer him up lol

How do you know all about what dabears54 is saying about the GM position? Is he on another fan forum by chance?