Thread: Phil Emery the Front Runner

Originally Posted by soulman

Maybe he should bring back Gabriel and DePaul since Angelo seemed to make them the scapegoats of some bad moves. I guess it really doesn't matter how it all works out initially. We won't have much of a grasp on how well the team improves until next summer. The best thing that can be said is we'll see a new direction and hopefully better personnel moves from here on.

I like how he has a military background and the fact that he has been described as a strong leader and a powerful voice in the room. I hope this leads to increased accountability and honest self assessment.

Angelo was a guy who did not see the situation clearly and was unable to honestly assess and fix a failure.

Many might be upset that Emery has been on the road scouting and to me that is one of the biggest selling features. He has been hands on in assessment and evaluation of prospects and apparently he is like a savant with player information. We have had no feel for players in the last 10 years and I think a deep scouting background can only help that. Cliff Stien can help him through contract negotiations while he works with the scouts.

I have seen a couple of sites refer to Emery as Ted Thompson like in his approach and commitment to scouting.

Emery's draft history is no better than JA's, that is all I know about his ability.

Originally Posted by soulman

That's great. How about a better solution to go with this heaping helping of criticism then? Sox you keep calling "bullshit" on posts without an accompanying suggestion for who or what is better. If you prefer Raye or Ross why not take some time to say why? It's easy to commit yourself to a negative when you aren't required to present a better alternative. Go ahead, stick your neck out a little.

Already have...

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The statement about his history in the draft compared to JA's pretty much says it all. His teams have been hit-or-miss at about the same rate since he took on the director of college scouting job in 04. The first rounders drafted under his scouting teams in the past five years are include Jamaal Anderson (colossal bust), Matt Ryan (duh pick), Sam Baker (was the most overrated OT in the league for one season, otherwise is an injured sieve who came in with injury concerns), Peria Jerry (buster douglas), Eric Berry (duh pick) and Jonathan Baldwin (jury's still out).

I don't give a shit about the military presence fluff. Like I said, since I can't be in a room with these guys, all I can go on is their track record and history. He's shown me substantially less in the same time at a much more advanced age than guys like Ross and Raye have in their drafting history.

Ross' teams have hit consistently on both sides of the ball and all signs point toward him being a real wunderkind. I'd like a guy with a more advanced and diverse career in the front office, but the drafts speak for themselves and you just can't have that without a great scouting staff.

Raye may have relied the reputation of Buddy Nix, and the team's draft history since he left can point to that, but their draft history with Raye in the role Ross and Emery current hold is impressive as shit.

Originally Posted by lklrlolnlilklsox

I'll take Emery over Ruskell if for no other reason than the philosophical growth it represents as an organization. In the end, we really have no idea how anyone of these untested guys will fair in this role. We do, however, know Ruskell sucks balls at it.

I do not think that anyone is saying that they want Emery over Ross, but I think that it does represent an important step for the organization and an improvement from Angelo.

To me Emery's drafts that he has been involved in are better than Angelo's. I not only look at the 1st round picks, which some are not great, but if you look at the Falcons a lot of that good team is built with players that he was involved in picking.

If you look at the last 2 drafts he was involved with in KC and they were very good.

2011

1 Jonathan Baldwin PITT [Starter]
2 Rodney Hudson Florida St [Starter]
3 Justin Houston Georgia [Starter]
3 Allen Bailey Miami [Contributor]
4 Jalil Brown Colorado [Back Up Who Plays]
5 Ricky Stanzi Iowa
5 Gabe Miller Oregon St
6 Jerrell Powe Mississippi [Back Up Who Plays]
7 Shane Bannon Yale

2010

1 Eric Berry Tennessee [Star]
2 Dexter McCluster Ole Miss [Contributor]
2 Javier Arenas Alabama [Starter]
3 Jon Asamoah Illinois [Starter]
3 Tony Moeaki Iowa [Emerging Star]
5 Kendrick Lewis Ole Miss [Starter]
5 Cameron Sheffield Troy [Injured]

Do not get me wrong I want Ross as he represents a significant improvement, but Emery may be safer and to me represents a clear improvement.