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    FWIW Kurt Warner Chimes in on Bears Offense

    Naturally Warner will rally to the aid of his old coach so I take those compliments with a grain of salt. Especially when he talks about Martz adjusting to players not being able to execute his plays. I'd like to know when Warner saw all that adjustment taking place. What, 6 games into the season when the Bears were 2-3 through the first 5 and Cutler finally told him to fuck himself and started doing it his way? Does he mean those adjustments or the ones he made which made Caleb Hanie look like an All Pro.

    Other than the fact that Warner points out the deficiencies that most of us know already all we're really left with are his compliments about Cutler and Forte. Those I'll accept as true but anyone who watched them play in that offense could have said the same.

    NFL great Warner says Martz, Cutler got it right in Bears’ season gone wrong

    By Sean Jensen sjensen@suntimes.com January 20, 2012 10:32PM


    Chicago Bears Training Camp. Offensive Coordinator Mike Martz and Quarter back No. 6 Jay Cutler Wednesday August 17, 2011 I Scott Stewart~Sun-Times

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    In Kurt Warner’s mind, former Bears offensive coordinator Mike Martz worked his magic during the 2011 season.


    Other than quarterback Jay Cutler and running back Matt Forte, Warner, the two-time NFL MVP who played under Martz in St. Louis, wasn’t impressed with the talent on the Bears’ offensive line or in the receiving corps.

    ‘‘It looked good, and I think the most impressive part was the combination of Mike adjusting what they were doing because of all the struggles early in the year,” Warner said, referring to a run when the Bears won five games in a row and the offense scored 32 points per game. ‘‘In my opinion, outside of Jay and Matt Forte, they don’t have any superstars on offense. They don’t have any go-to receivers. That guy who can separate themselves or gives you a match-up problem. They just don’t have that guy. So Mike had to adjust to the limitations.’’


    Warner said he was very impressed with Forte and Cutler. ‘‘That combination of those guys working together, I enjoyed watching it,’’ Warner said. ‘‘I could really tell what they were trying to do. They were playing really, really good football, before the injury.’’


    Cutler fractured the thumb on his throwing hand against the San Diego Chargers and didn’t return for the rest of the season. The Bears then lost five games in a row. Warner said few NFL quarterbacks could have accomplished as much as Cutler.


    ‘‘He exceeded what anyone else in that situation could have done,’’ Warner said. ‘‘If you don’t have game-changers on the outside, it just makes it harder. To not have a go-to guy for a quarterback like Jay is a struggle. I watched film. There’s no space. There’s nowhere to throw the football.


    ‘‘Even when they were going good, other guys wouldn’t have been able to do that. He’s just so talented.’’


    Regardless of the general manager or offensive coordinator, the Bears’ top priority should be a playmaker at receiver. This is the offseason to land one, with free agents available such as Marques Colston, Dwayne Bowe, Wes Welker, Reggie Wayne, Vincent Jackson, Steve Johnson, Robert Meachem and Mario Manningham.


    ‘‘That’s the frustrating part — you have to have those guys, especially in this day and age,’’ Warner said. ‘‘It’s a passing league, and you have to have weapons that can win for you. ‘‘When you get one-on-one, this is a plus for us. They don’t have those guys,’’ Warner said of the Bears. ‘‘Guys were 50-50 on if they could make the play. It’s crazy. I think it’s vital for them, moving forward, to get one or two guys who can give you another dimension.’’


    Warner said while he’s been very impressed with Cutler, he’s still not convinced he can make the anticipation throws that were a staple in Martz’s ‘‘Greatest Show on Turf’’ offense in St. Louis.
    ‘‘He can’t let it go and trust his guys,’’ Warner said. ‘‘Maybe it’s the guys he’s playing with. But as far as talent and being able to create plays, and as far as seeing something and throwing it, there’s no question he can be one of the best in the league.’’


    During the Bears’ five-game winning streak, Cutler made the offensive line and receivers look much better than they were, Warner said. ‘‘He was creating things and making plays that not many guys can make,’’ Warner said. ‘‘He was what was most impressive about that run.’’
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    Well there's no doubt that Cutler was carrying the Bears offense throughout that 5 game streak. When he went down the offense just about disappeared. Where I differ from Warner's interpretation is just who gets the credit for that. He gives some to Martz and I pretty much give it to Cutler. It was the strength of his going against Martz that turned things around. He did the things that worked to alleviate the weaknesses in the Oline and the WR's.
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    got to give one thing to Martz he did something Shanahan and Turner couldnt...............take care of Cutler's pick problems. And the offense was working with Martz and Cutler and Hainie just sucked but that is the NFL when it comes to back ups. With Martz I thought we would be a WR and LT away from being a legit offense. I just am never optimistic by the way the Bears run things any of that would change. We have only one wr in what past ten years that has 1000 yard season lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by motownbear View Post
    got to give one thing to Martz he did something Shanahan and Turner couldnt...............take care of Cutler's pick problems. And the offense was working with Martz and Cutler and Hainie just sucked but that is the NFL when it comes to back ups. With Martz I thought we would be a WR and LT away from being a legit offense. I just am never optimistic by the way the Bears run things any of that would change. We have only one wr in what past ten years that has 1000 yard season lol
    Mo, my query is whether it was Martz or Cutler who finally solved his own problems. Remember Martz saying how Cutler had worked out some kinks in his mechanics during the offseason himself. Cutler did make better throws but you'd think that reducing his picks might have been a byproduct of experience anyway.

    I'd surely agree that Martz wasn't given the players he needed to get the success out his system that Lovie may have imagined when he hired him. Without any hot WR's and a line that couldn't hold up to protect on 7 step drops his approach was doomed from the start. I guess the fact that Angelo was opposed to him to begin with didn't help either.

    Right now the needs are so obvious that whoever is hired as the GM can't overlook them any longer. If we go one more year without better WR talent I wouldn't blame Cutler if he asked to be traded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motownbear View Post
    got to give one thing to Martz he did something Shanahan and Turner couldnt...............take care of Cutler's pick problems. And the offense was working with Martz and Cutler and Hainie just sucked but that is the NFL when it comes to back ups. With Martz I thought we would be a WR and LT away from being a legit offense. I just am never optimistic by the way the Bears run things any of that would change. We have only one wr in what past ten years that has 1000 yard season lol
    You said it " a WR and a LT " ....... that's 2 friggin players . Now let's see what they do with the off-season. Any GM who doesn't get this done doesn't have a clue. If Lovie meddles and ignores these 2 positions in favor of defensive players then he can go spit also.
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    "Warner is dead-on when he discusses the few points that we agree on. I'll disregard the rest because he is obviously doesn't know what he is talking about on those.
    Fixed it for ya!

    lol... however, I agree with you. If there were "adjustments" they were either so small as to be significant, or of such a type that only punch drunk QB's could see 'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loki520 View Post
    Fixed it for ya!

    lol... however, I agree with you. If there were "adjustments" they were either so small as to be significant, or of such a type that only punch drunk QB's could see 'em.


    It's hard to come to another logical conclusion when the offense immediately improved right after Cutler told Martz to go fuck himself. I just can't buy that one event as having much more than an ounce of difference in how the selfish arrogant SOB approached the game from then on. I think the best evidence of that is when Hanie came in he went right back to his old tricks of putting all kinds of shit into a game plan he knew these guys couldn't execute.

    Maybe Hanie should have told him to fuck off too instead of letting him potentially wreck his NFL career. It sure is funny that with a very stripped down offense in the 4th Q of last years NFCC Game Hanie did a pretty fair job of moving the ball. He and the rest of the offense got what they could execute pretty well and for the most part it worked. That's antithesis of what Martz did to him this year. Each week he fed more and more crap into the game plan that couldn't be done. It's no secret that the best game Hanie had was the first one he started. He got successively worse each game thereafter as Martz ramped up the offense.

    Look, Martz made a hero out of a bag boy so I can appreciate his defense of Martz but just because he said it don't make it so.
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    Martz really screwed the pooch this year. I got to wondering at times just who the head coach was on the field. Lovie didn't seem to have the balls to stand up to him, else Martz would have kept the offense as "status quo" to what it was with Cutty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagan81 View Post
    Martz really screwed the pooch this year. I got to wondering at times just who the head coach was on the field. Lovie didn't seem to have the balls to stand up to him, else Martz would have kept the offense as "status quo" to what it was with Cutty.
    Martz is Martz and he does what Martz always does. There is no way they shouldn't have known that from the get go. Anyone who hires Martz to fit in with the existing situation is making a huge mistake which is exactly what we did. Martz expects players to adapt to him not the other way around. With the personnel we had we couldn't have made much worse of a choice. Why Lovie claims to want a run oriented offense and then hires guys like Martz and Shea is beyond me but he better get it right this time because there won't be another chance.
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    Let's face it Lovie hired Martz because he was the ONLY one willing to take the job. All the other candidates looked at the crap Angelo provided this team with and said "NO THANKS".

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