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ya never want to temper w/someone under contract....it's even worse then if you were to tamper....;)
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NFL.com news: Dolphins' Marshall talks to Flynn about teaming up in Miami
Dolphins' Marshall talks to Flynn about teaming up in Miami
HONOLULU -- Call it quarterback envy. Call it playful jealousy. Whatever you call it, Dolphins wide receiver Brandon Marshall has caught a serious case of it during this week's Pro Bowl practices in Hawaii.
"Hey man, listen, I'm out here at the Pro Bowl, and I'm not getting no balls thrown to me!" Marshall joked with NFL.com on Friday. "I need a quarterback. You've got Big Ben throwing to (Mike) Wallace, you've got Philip (Rivers) throwing to (Antonio) Gates and Vincent (Jackson), you've got Andy (Dalton) throwing to A.J. (Green). I'm the only guy out here, man! "We'd love to have that tandem out here." And from the sound of it, Marshall thinks he might just know which soon-to-be free agent could be the guy to provide the other end of the combo. The Dolphins wide receiver said he has reached out to Packers quarterback Matt Flynn and talked about the prospect of teaming up with Aaron Rodgers' backup. "You've got some guys in the draft, but there's not too many guys out there just walking the streets," Marshall said. "Matt is available. ... We've talked. I reached out to him. I get it from Ray Lewis. Around this time of year, players talk to players." As Marshall noted, it's not tampering for players to talk to players about such possibilities (the team doesn't know he did it, he said). The league confirmed that it's not a violation of any rules. Marshall also praised the work of quarterback Matt Moore last season, saying he did an "outstanding job" and deserves to compete for the position in training camp. But he also noted that it's clear this team needs to find someone to take the Dolphins to the next level. "Obviously, Matt had a great year," Marshall said. "You don't want to take anything away from Matt, but I think we really bring in somebody who can compete and make the team better. "We need someone who is going to grab a hold of our offense, hold everyone accountable and be that leader." Marshall said he's heard nothing but great things about new coach Joe Philbin, who served as Flynn's offensive coordinator in Green Bay. But Marshall is also waiting anxiously to see who will be his position coach. He has one candidate in mind: D.J. McCarthy, currently the wide receivers coach at LSU. McCarthy was Marshall's coach at Central Florida, and he also has ties to Flynn, who was at LSU with McCarthy. "The reason why I'm here is Coach McCarthy, so I'd love to see Coach McCarthy get an interview," Marshall said. "Unfortunately, the past six years, I've had a different receivers coach. I haven't had any chemistry with any of them to take me to the next level. I'm looking forward to working with a coach who can fine-tune my game and recognize my weaknesses. Coach McCarthy has proven that." Looks like Marshall has a new guy on his list.
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While I highly doubt the possibility of Marshall coming to the Bears it is an interesting thought, Cutler handled/kept in check Marshall's behavior on the field in Denver and he has been diagnosed having BP. There is no denying the Chemistry between the two of them and that seems to be a hard thing to develop these days and Cutler and Marshall has it already and proven, bringing in anyone else and there is no guarantee this chemistry will develop. Marshall is a proven commodity, draft picks are not and a gamble for any team one only has to look at the W.R.'s Detroit went through to find Megatron. Those type of W.R.'s don't come along everyday and I have no faith in the Bears developing a prospect as it's not their strong point to say the least, Marshall is 27 and a W.R.'s peak years are 24-30 according to several statisticians.
If I was a gambling man I would want to increase my odds at winning and betting on something proven seems safer to me than betting on something unknown, just my 2 cents for what it's worth, if the Bears think they are close to competing with the players they currently have and everyone knows the window of opportunity is closing for some of the vets like Urlacher, Peppers etc taking a gamble of Marshall doesn't seem like such a bad idea.
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WR's, while a huge need of ours b/c none of them are starter quality, are not worth trading picks for. Teams build/win through the draft, not via trade/FA, at least not often. And WR is not a top position of need for those that do win; otherwise TO, Moss, Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson and Ocho Cinco would end up in more SB's. You do need quality WR's, but not at the expense of other areas of need, of which we have a lot. I tend to look at team building importance as OL/DL, QB, LB, DB, RB/WR. So looking at our needs, IMO, you we need to get OT, DE, CB and a young WR filled and solidified before we can afford to trade picks for a above average WR. Ecspecially when you can grab other #1 quality WR's in FA that won't cost you any picks.
Again look at what this team needs, in no paticular order: LT/OL depth, DE, LB depth, CB, S. You cannot fill all those wholes w/FA, and you have a lot of quality in this draft throughout most those positions, so w/1 1st and 2nd, and 2 3rd's, you can fill a lot of those needs w/wise picks. Since JA is no longer w/the team, for the first time in a long time I look to the draft w/hope, no need to send those picks away, ecspeically for a WR that is a better Headcase then he is a WR.
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Originally Posted by
little bear
He'll talk up anything that gets him out of the predicament he's in at Miami. Trading Marshall to a hapless Miami team was about the equivalent of Lombardi trading an All Pro OC like Jim Ringo to the Eagles (big time losers) in the 60's because he showed up with an agent and Lombardi figured him for a trouble maker. Ah, those were the days weren't they?
If he can't get out of Miami and come to Chicago (and he won't) then he at least wants someone in Miami who can play QB at an NFL level. Brandon Marshall is nothing more than a younger T.O. or Randy Moss. All that matters to Brandon Marshall is Brandon Marshall. Personally I don't want the guy within 100 miles of becoming a Bear. He's not a fit.
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I'd love to get Brandon Marshall. Been my favorite WR for a while.
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Really? Over guys like Fitzgerald, Colston, Andre and Calvin Johnson? You pick this guy as your fav?
To each his own, but I just don't see him as a guy I would want on my team over the guys I just mentioned....and that is w/two guys(Colston/Johnson) who have shown injury concerns.
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We're never gonna get a Megatron or Andre Johnson, or Fitzgerald. Sure, love to have Colston, but that is just about as unlikely as the others. B-Marsh is unlikely also, but I would love to have him honestly. Any of the above would be frickin awesome and would make my day/month.
I was kinda watchin the NFL network while they were talking about the ginger from Cincy, and it just makes me so GD'd depressed. That kids talent does not hold a candle to Cutler. People can jump on his bandwagon and all nuthug on Stafford, but a huge percentage of their completions that make them look so good are because of their talented receiver(s). If we get a free agent WR, I would still like to draft a WR in the 2-3 range, if they get beat out by current Bears WR's then so be it, but the better teams in this league have really good receivers, and even one can make a huge difference. (2 would just make all Chicago fans' heads explode)
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Oh I didn't mean we would get any of those WR's, I'm just saying if your going to have a league fav WR, why Brandon Marshall? He's not even the most talented nutcase out there.
You have to draft those WR's, they aren't going to come into FA very often, if at all, and if they do it's after their prime is long gone. So you overpay for a few good years. That's why I don't want to trade away good draft picks for BM. I can handle overpaying for a VJ or Colston or someone like that, but throw picks on top of that and it's just to high a price.
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Originally Posted by
BossK
We're never gonna get a Megatron or Andre Johnson, or Fitzgerald. Sure, love to have Colston, but that is just about as unlikely as the others. B-Marsh is unlikely also, but I would love to have him honestly. Any of the above would be frickin awesome and would make my day/month.
I was kinda watchin the NFL network while they were talking about the ginger from Cincy, and it just makes me so GD'd depressed. That kids talent does not hold a candle to Cutler. People can jump on his bandwagon and all nuthug on Stafford, but a huge percentage of their completions that make them look so good are because of their talented receiver(s). If we get a free agent WR, I would still like to draft a WR in the 2-3 range, if they get beat out by current Bears WR's then so be it, but the better teams in this league have really good receivers, and even one can make a huge difference. (2 would just make all Chicago fans' heads explode)
Exactly. It's like picking up two saasage's samiche's when your hungry. One to eat now and one for later when you know you'll get hungry again. Some of these WR's aren't all that much different than RB's in that their time at the peak of their careers may be relatively short when compared to other positions.
If we pickup a vet with 6 to 7 years experience who's 28 or 29 years old maybe the guy has another two or three good years left before he loses that extra step or little burst off the line that gets him his separation. So at the same time we sign this guy we need to be drafting his eventual replacement and give him the two or three year apprenticeship it often takes for a WR to hit his peak in the NFL.
Luckily we have two guys in Bennett and Knox who are just about at that point but both have certain limitations that keep them from becoming true #1 type guys. They're good #2's and spot type guys that you put in plays for but we still need that always open, catches anything you throw, #1 go to guy and we need his apprentice. This is one of the very first things Emery should be working on. Who are these two guys and how do we get them.
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