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Originally Posted by
soulman 
All speculation but a reasonable speculation given Webb less than standard play. I didn't know Webb rated lowest among NFL OT's but I knew he was nowhere near the top. This will certainly add ammunition to the arguement that we need to use our first round pick to draft an OT again this year.
While that's possible there is also the possibility of finding veteran help in FA or, as Jensen speculates, give CWill another shot at LT. The play of Chris Spencer and Lance Louis was good enough to potentially earn them the OG spots for now and EWill did well as CWill's replacement. Add to that the bodies of Ricky Henry and Levi Horn and we have a bit of a logjam at OG but as usual we're weak at OT. LT to be specific. CWill was picked in the first round to be that LT and last years first round pick was RT Gabe Carimi. Do we really want to spend another first round pick on drafting a LT when we have two on the roster who were drafted as LT's but don't play there?
As Jensen points out, there are other needs but if the Bears expect to get LT help in the draft it's not gonna come from a late round pick. Isn't that the problem we have already. For an entire year Tice has been trying to turn a former 7th round pick with great athleticism but a lack of great football skills and intelligence into Jay Cutler's blind side protector and it hasn't been working.
If Lovie,Tice and Emery decide that solving this problem is high on the needs list then I won't have any problem if we do draft a LT with our first round pick but if that happens we better be damn sure this one can actually play LT in the NFL. I'm tired of seeing us spend first round picks on LT's who don't end up playing LT and 7th round picks on guys who should be playing RT but we try to make a LT out of. If we're gonna do it at least get it right this time.
I could see reinstalling Chris Williams at LT. He was an All-American at Vanderbilt and could probably make the adjustment back to doing what used to do. The only problem I have with it is that he's been moved around so much in his career since he entered the league in 2008. I know he's been at both OT positions and LG. To me, there has to be some continuity. He can be like Tyson Clabo and be really, really good at being a versatile lineman, but I don't think he's quite that astute of a player, i.e., I don't think he's talented enough to keep moving positions and play at a very high level at all of them.
Another major concern with this as an answer is that Williams has proven to be injury prone throughout his whole career. I think the most games he's played in any one season is 12, and that was in 2010. This year, he was doing really well at LG before he broke his wrist. While he has people to cover for him at the G position (E. Williams, L.Louis), all he would have would be Webb and, God forbid, OMG if he isn't cut. That would be disastrous. This is why we need to either draft a LT in the first round, either Adams or Martin as both are within striking distance now for the Bears to draft depending on the mock draft of your choice's predictions, or go sign someone in free agency who will serve as both a backup and as competition to Webb seeing as how he has made so little progress in blocking anyone over the two years he's been in this league.
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Soul, the only reason we would put Williams back at LT is because Emery didnt draft one in the second round.
Is Emery in the neighborhood to draft UP?
A trait angelo never had. 
We will find out in April.
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Originally Posted by
Dagan81 I don't think that I would be for drafting Konz in the first round simply because we have other needs with greater urgency than C. Garza looked really good at the position for most of the past season, and I think he's going to give the Bears a good 2-3 more years before he hangs them up.
In the first round, if we don't wind up drafting a LT, I would like to see us get a DE. Our pass rush is horrible at the five-technique holes, particularly where Israel Idonije at LE. He only recorded four sacks the entire season. There are plenty of pass rushers to go around for the Bears to get in the first round such as Courtney Upshaw, Melvin Ingram, and the University of Illinois' very own Whitney Mercilus.
I really see the first round turning into a "best player available" situation, to be very frank with you.
Hard to argue with your points, as I tend to agree with multiple needs. At 19, there WILL be a stud at one of our critical needs, and those do include LT and DE. We all have our preferences and I would certainly not be disappointed if Adams or Martin were selected for the LT spot. I guess my thinking is, after LT, the most important position on the O-Line is Center, and Konz is about as good as any that have come out since Mangold and Pouncey. I think Roberto did a very good job at Center, but he'll only be around for a couple more years, and if we got a new Center, he could easily slide back to the right (I'm not a big fan of Edwin Williams, and Spence could move to the left). Konz would man Olin's position for the next decade and potentially do so in Pro Bowl fashion. So, I guess I'm thinking that Konz would be a better Center than Adams would be a LT at the next level, and we already have a first rounder that we're paying to be our LT who isn't. It's just one way of thinking, but there are certainly more than one way to help this O-Line. At some point though, the Bears will have to work with what they have. They are not going to continue to use 1st rounders on O-Line, and I'm not so sure they will even this year. The guys they select HAVE to start stepping up.
Frankly, I haven't even mentioned "My GUY" in this draft as DeCastro. I would LOVE to see that cat with a "C" on his helmet, but he likely wont be there and he doesn't really fit our need anyway. I would also be more than happy to see Mercilus on the stage with the 19th. There are many that could help us.
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Originally Posted by
4DaBERS Hard to argue with your points, as I tend to agree with multiple needs. At 19, there WILL be a stud at one of our critical needs, and those do include LT and DE. We all have our preferences and I would certainly not be disappointed if Adams or Martin were selected for the LT spot. I guess my thinking is, after LT, the most important position on the O-Line is Center, and Konz is about as good as any that have come out since Mangold and Pouncey. I think Roberto did a very good job at Center, but he'll only be around for a couple more years, and if we got a new Center, he could easily slide back to the right (I'm not a big fan of Edwin Williams, and Spence could move to the left). Konz would man Olin's position for the next decade and potentially do so in Pro Bowl fashion. So, I guess I'm thinking that Konz would be a better Center than Adams would be a LT at the next level, and we already have a first rounder that we're paying to be our LT who isn't. It's just one way of thinking, but there are certainly more than one way to help this O-Line. At some point though, the Bears will have to work with what they have. They are not going to continue to use 1st rounders on O-Line, and I'm not so sure they will even this year. The guys they select HAVE to start stepping up.
Frankly, I haven't even mentioned "My GUY" in this draft as DeCastro. I would LOVE to see that cat with a "C" on his helmet, but he likely wont be there and he doesn't really fit our need anyway. I would also be more than happy to see Mercilus on the stage with the 19th. There are many that could help us.
Did you read my thread I started a little while ago about all the different services' putting down that we will draft Michael Floyd in the first round in their mock drafts? In it, NFL.com's (and former Tennessee corner back and history student) Charles Davis predicts that the Bears will draft DeCastro. There's also the chance that we will have a crack at either Martin or Adams according to the site. So who knows what will happen? I think we are in a win-win situation with the first round as it sets because of the sheer number of needs we have to be filled.
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Originally Posted by
Dagan81 [/B][/I]
Did you read my thread I started a little while ago about all the different services' putting down that we will draft Michael Floyd in the first round in their mock drafts? In it, NFL.com's (and former Tennessee corner back and history student) Charles Davis predicts that the Bears will draft DeCastro. There's also the chance that we will have a crack at either Martin or Adams according to the site. So who knows what will happen? I think we are in a win-win situation with the first round as it sets because of the sheer number of needs we have to be filled.
Precisely!
No, I did not read that thread (I may have glanced over it upon first arrival), but I have seen a couple of Mocks that show us taking DeCastro. I would love it as I mentioned above, but I've almost talked myself out of him just because of the other needs like we've been talking about. Considering how often we screen, I can see him being a great selection, but who knows if our "new" offensive coordinator will still pull our Guards as often as we have in the past. What are your thoughts on DeCastro and his benefit to us specifically. Well, maybe I'll go find your thread. Perhaps you've already talked about this.
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I'm gonna repeat something I've said b4. While I understand the idea of drafting towards the future ..... this D is almost done. So my approach would be to pick the players, who fit this teams' immediate needs ( in FA and the draft ) and try to get back to the SB in the next 1-2 years.
It's that ... or a 4-5 year rebuild anyways when the D goes down.
Give these guys 1 more shot at the SB and I can live with the 6-10 seasons from there .... for a while.
It's better than 8-8 for six yrs imo. But that's just me.
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Originally Posted by
4DaBERS [/B]
Precisely!
No, I did not read that thread (I may have glanced over it upon first arrival), but I have seen a couple of Mocks that show us taking DeCastro. I would love it as I mentioned above, but I've almost talked myself out of him just because of the other needs like we've been talking about. Considering how often we screen, I can see him being a great selection, but who knows if our "new" offensive coordinator will still pull our Guards as often as we have in the past. What are your thoughts on DeCastro and his benefit to us specifically. Well, maybe I'll go find your thread. Perhaps you've already talked about this.
DeCastro would be a good find for us, but like you, I think that if we were in the hunt for a OG, we would go with someone like Carl Nicks in free agency rather than dealing with the draft. The draft is where you not only fill needs, but depth as well. I would be in favor of seeing the Bears trading Lance Briggs and a third rounder in order to possibly get an additional first round pick so that we can go after that LT and DE that we so desperately need. I think that a lot of our problems would be solved with our secondary as far us getting gashed with bombs if we could get an extra body along the defensive line who could rush the quarterback. I'm not saying that we would ever go down below giving up 200 passing yards or anything like that, but we were giving up around 250 passing yards total through the 2011 season, and that's just too much.
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Originally Posted by
Blue Horse-shoe I'm gonna repeat something I've said b4. While I understand the idea of drafting towards the future ..... this D is almost done. So my approach would be to pick the players, who fit this teams' immediate needs ( in FA and the draft ) and try to get back to the SB in the next 1-2 years.
It's that ... or a 4-5 year rebuild anyways when the D goes down.
Give these guys 1 more shot at the SB and I can live with the 6-10 seasons from there .... for a while.
It's better than 8-8 for six yrs imo. But that's just me.
2yrs with the hot chick is better than 6yrs with the 'meh' chick. The memories are better.
I hear the hot chick gives better hummers anyway... lol. Just sayin'. 
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Originally Posted by
WindyCity Mr. Conrad @DarrylConrad
@mikecwright Any buzz between the Bears and OT Mike Adams [Ohio St] he dominated at LT during the Senior Bowl?
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They're not hurting on the OL. @DarrylConrad
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@mikecwright Is Webb not a liability? He is incredibly inconsistent and he plays the most important position on the OL.
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He's not... Unless a cant-miss guy doesn't fall into their lap at 19, the wont be going OL. @DarrylConrad
This what Tice has said but it doesn't mean a can't miss guy won't fall into their lap. If Adams Senior Bowl appearance was that good even he may not make it to #19 so all of this becomes moot. There are 4 possible 1st round LT picks. Kalil and Reiff will go quickly and Adams and Martin most likely between 10 and 20 so there's a chance there's still a LT on the board when we pick but will he rate high enough to interest the Bears.
There are also 4 possible 1st round DE; Coples, Ingram, Upshaw and Mercilus and one or more of them will most likely be around at #19 too. I guess you could consider Floyd a possibility but only if Emery strikes out in FA and whoever had us taking Dennard is smoking crack. We never spend a 1st round pick on a CB and I can't see us doing it this year either when there are Cover-2 type guys farther on down the line.
Until we see what FA brings this is gonna be a tough one to call. Were not exactly desperate at any one position an LT, DE, CB, WR, SS, and LB can all use help and we have 5 picks through the first 4 rounds. Between that and a couple of key grabs in FA we should be able to fill some holes but in what order I don't know right now.
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Originally Posted by
jackiejokeman Soul, the only reason we would put Williams back at LT is because Emery didnt draft one in the second round.
Is Emery in the neighborhood to draft UP?
A trait angelo never had.
We will find out in April.
The article is just speculation based on Webb's poor showing last year. Maybe poor isn't exactly the right word. Let's call it woefully inconsistent. He had a few very good games and a few where he was absolutely horrible. I don't think it's likely but anything is possible when you want your five best lineman starting.
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