Was Mark Anderson A Guy Who Just Didn't Fit, Or Was It Poor Coaching?......

**soulman** · 02-07-2012, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by bearsinhouston

The only group that seems able to develop talent on a consistent basis is special teams. Seems like whoever you throw to Taub, he is able to make into a better player and he has had quite a few go to the pro bowl. He has also had a few guys that he was able to get that had so much god given talent (Hester) that they didn't need much coaching.

From the O and the D side, I don't see a whole lot of real improvement. I don't count the Urlachers and the Briggs because they are like Hester - they came in good.

The only improvments I've really seen is on the OL with Tice. I thought he did a credible job with what he had and got them to play better.

I'd say that it falls on the development capabilites of the Bears. To this day, I still think Grossman was ruined. He had a lot of talent and by the time we got done with him, well..... he was done.

Anderson also. There have been a few others (some RB, etc) that seem to have been able to do better elsewhere. I do respect Marinelli a lot, but thought Rivera was also excellent

You're dead on about Toub which is why we want to keep him around. If Lovie fails I'd definitely be looking at him as a HC and if not maybe as an OC or a DC and Asst. HC instead of ST. Although on the Bears the ST Coordinator is pretty much on par with the other two spots. At least Toub is being well paid as an ST guy.

As for Rex his problems are and always will be in between his ears, not in his arm. He runs too hot and cold and gets to flustered to ever be a top QB. Look at how calm guys like Eli or Cutler are even when they're struggling. With guys like that you're never truly out of the game but with Rex the minute that "deer in the headlights" look starts you know he's done.

He's had his shot now with two different teams and he can't seem to put it all together. For once I'm just glad we're no longer a team struggling with QB's like him and the dozens of other borderline pros we've had under center over the years. We actually have a legit franchise QB for a change if we don't screw him up too.

**bearsinhouston** · 02-07-2012, 10:14 AM

oh, I definitely agree with both you guys on Grossmans problem being in his mind and confidence. What I continue to wonder about is did we help that process happen? I remember one game (unfortunately only one game) he looked like the second coming of Montana. Then he was getting hit quite a bit and I think that's where he took a quick mental slide.

He had the ability (and I believe at one point the confidence). I just wonder if we could have done more to develop him. I think by the time he left here, he wasn't what he was at the beginning any more. Although I did think he would do better than he has. So maybe I'm just off in left field. I need a beer ....

**GSH Monsters** · 02-07-2012, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by bearsinhouston

The only group that seems able to develop talent on a consistent basis is special teams. Seems like whoever you throw to Taub, he is able to make into a better player and he has had quite a few go to the pro bowl. He has also had a few guys that he was able to get that had so much god given talent (Hester) that they didn't need much coaching.

From the O and the D side, I don't see a whole lot of real improvement. I don't count the Urlachers and the Briggs because they are like Hester - they came in good.

The only improvments I've really seen is on the OL with Tice. I thought he did a credible job with what he had and got them to play better.

I'd say that it falls on the development capabilites of the Bears. To this day, I still think Grossman was ruined. He had a lot of talent and by the time we got done with him, well..... he was done.

Anderson also. There have been a few others (some RB, etc) that seem to have been able to do better elsewhere. I do respect Marinelli a lot, but thought Rivera was also excellent

Great points and I have to agree and often time think as much blame as JA got for the draft even though the draft has input from coaches, scouts etc, that some of it has to fall back on coaching and player development or lack there of.

It is funny how Toub can continually be at or near the top in special teams year after despite the revolving door of players and talent. We also see some improvments in the O-line after Tice was hired and we all know when Carimi was drafted it was because of Tice and his ties to Wisconsin through his son.

There was a good article by Dickerson Fewell saw more opportunity in New York - Chicago Bears Blog - ESPN Chicago with Perry Fewell and why he chose the Giants over the Bears and he basically said because Lovie wouldn't let him run the defense as he wanted and he had more freedom with the Giants. We all know it was the reason Ron Rivera was run out of town because he and Lovie butted heads on how the defense should be ran.

I lay blame at Lovie's feet when it comes to coaching and player development as he is solely in charge of his staff and thank goodness for Toub and Tice, Marinelli has remained because he runs the defense the way Lovie wants it ran. I also think it's part of the reason why the Bears are having trouble finding a pass coordinator/Q.B. coach the other being the fact most candidates know it could be a one year deal if Emery decides to go a different route next year which is Phillips fault for forcing Lovie on a new GM.

**omc1969** · 02-07-2012, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by bearsinhouston

oh, I definitely agree with both you guys on Grossmans problem being in his mind and confidence. What I continue to wonder about is did we help that process happen? I remember one game (unfortunately only one game) he looked like the second coming of Montana. Then he was getting hit quite a bit and I think that's where he took a quick mental slide.

He had the ability (and I believe at one point the confidence). I just wonder if we could have done more to develop him. I think by the time he left here, he wasn't what he was at the beginning any more. Although I did think he would do better than he has. So maybe I'm just off in left field. I need a beer ....

I believe that lack of surrounding talent contributed to Grossmans demise similar to the Carr situation. When you have NO WR's and have to run for your life you get "Happy Feet" and it gets in your head. Not saying he would have been elite but with our inability to develop players in general it could have been a factor. The blame falls directly on the coaches and Lovie in particular. JA was to blame as well but we already knew that.

**bearsinhouston** · 02-07-2012, 02:22 PM

What makes it even more impressive for a ST to be near the top is that they pretty much get whoever the other coaches don't want as starters but still would like to keep them on the team. A ST coach will occasionally get to draft a KR and a kicker, but pretty much everyone else on the team is really hand-me-downs. And we don't draft the best quality to begin with, so Taub has done a hell of a job over there.

Originally Posted by GSH Monsters

Great points and I have to agree and often time think as much blame as JA got for the draft even though the draft has input from coaches, scouts etc, that some of it has to fall back on coaching and player development or lack there of.

It is funny how Toub can continually be at or near the top in special teams year after despite the revolving door of players and talent. We also see some improvments in the O-line after Tice was hired and we all know when Carimi was drafted it was because of Tice and his ties to Wisconsin through his son.

There was a good article by Dickerson Fewell saw more opportunity in New York - Chicago Bears Blog - ESPN Chicago with Perry Fewell and why he chose the Giants over the Bears and he basically said because Lovie wouldn't let him run the defense as he wanted and he had more freedom with the Giants. We all know it was the reason Ron Rivera was run out of town because he and Lovie butted heads on how the defense should be ran.

I lay blame at Lovie's feet when it comes to coaching and player development as he is solely in charge of his staff and thank goodness for Toub and Tice, Marinelli has remained because he runs the defense the way Lovie wants it ran. I also think it's part of the reason why the Bears are having trouble finding a pass coordinator/Q.B. coach the other being the fact most candidates know it could be a one year deal if Emery decides to go a different route next year which is Phillips fault for forcing Lovie on a new GM.

**Dagan81** · 02-08-2012, 05:10 AM

What Rex Grossman's problem was was that he was a product of an elaborate system in college in which he didn't have to learn how to read defenses in quite the same way that he would have to in the pros. Grossman also wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and that only exacerbated the problem.

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