Thread: Should We Be Looking At David DeCastro If He Falls That Far................

Originally Posted by soulman

You can't base your draft on what happens to Carimi when he rehabbing and he'll be ready when camp begins. That said we do need some OT's unless CWill moves back to LT and I think that's about as likely as snow in Honolulu. I have no problem with them taking Adams if he's the BPA when we pick. I just don't think he will be that's all and I've given my reasons for that before.

If you get Adams in the first and Washington in two where does a WR and CB come into the picture? How about a DE and LB? We can afford to spend one pick in the first three rounds on an Olineman the rest have to go for other positions. This all kind of fruitless right now anyway. We have no idea what spots we might fill with free agents so predicting how we'll draft and not knowing that or how Emery goes about things is nothing more than a shot in the dark.

For all we know he may trade down if he thinks there isn't enough value to pick at that spot.

Then he will be more like Jerry Angelo than I will ever give him credit for being. lol

As for that first highlighted area, I think you look into that with caution and trepidation. I probably should not have said Washington in the second round after Adams, but I probably wasn't paying attention to what I was doing. But I will say this with all clarity, soul: unless there is some dramatic shifts on the OL with Chris Williams moving over the LT, I just don't see the need for drafting David DeCastro in the first round. Chris Spencer played solid RG last year, and Chris Williams was awesome at LG. Lance Louis was very serviceable at RT with the exception of a couple of games. We've got a lot of OG's backed up on our depth chart who will never see the light of day in a game because of being buried.

That being said, I would personally love having DeCastro. He's got a lot of smarts being that he attended Stanford, and that's something that at least one of our offensive linemen (Webb) doesn't have. To me, it's a mystery as to whether Chris Williams could play the LT position now because it's been so long since he started there. He's got the talent, and I think that he would be a vast upgrade over Webb at LT just from the intelligence perspective (remember that CWill attended Vanderbilt University). So maybe I'm not quite as down anymore on drafting DeCastro if he falls to us, but we would have to move CWill to LT. That would be interesting to see how it would unfold.

Originally Posted by GermansbombedPH

We can like the guys all we want and say they are solid, but

Webb - Williams - Garza - Spencer - Louis

was the worst OL in the NFL last year...

Carimi will upgrade us and give us a solid backup. Now add DeCastro too and try him as RG or CWill as LT

no prospect is a sure thing, but DeCastro is as close as a college guy could be.


Webb - Williams - Garza - DeCastro - Carimi
with Williams, Spencer and Louis behind them looks that much better and deeper that I won't even worry that much going forward.

Williams - DeCastro - Garza - Spencer/Louis - Carimi

would be a great OL considered to what we've had the last 2 years


If we can get him at #19, there is no way you ignore him for a guy like Floyd or a CB or Mercilus type of player

Ooooo, lots to talk about in this thread now.

I can't agree with you when you say they were the worst line in the NFL. When you're RB's are averaging better than 4.5 yards per carry, Forte almost 5.0, they must be doing something right. The pass blocking is suspect but we were without two starters for most of the year too.

Would DeCastro be an upgrade? Yes of course he will but he's not a major NEED. If he's the BPA at #19 do we still take him? I'd say either do that or squeeze a really good pick out of another team who does need him and move back farther in the first round were the player you really want is a better value.

I have no problems with drafting David DeCastro but then Tice better have a plan for what to do with him and the other 5 or 6 OG's he has on the roster. If he can make an OT out of at least one of them then the pick looks better.

Originally Posted by WindyCity

You do not need too justify the pick.

-Is it a screaming need? NO.

-Is he going to multiple Pro Bowl and going to be a DOMINANT player for the Bears, YES.

DeCastro raises the overall talent level of our team in a big way.

He raises the overall talent of the Oline but I'd stop short of saying the entire team. He can't catch passes and score TD's and he can't sack the QB or prevent TD's by an opponent's WR's. In order to raise the overall talent level all of those needs have to be met.

Case in point. How much has having Joe Thomas helped Cleveland to be a championship team? How about Jake Long in Miami? The entire line as a unit can do that but anyone player won't make the difference. We drafted a very good RT last years so that was a start to rebuilding the line. We also got lucky with Chris Spencer who I believe also played well enough to be called an upgrade. If Emery decides to continue along that path because he has or will take care of the other needs differently then I say go for it but David DeCastro by himself won't turn this team around.

Originally Posted by WindyCity

This is the best point he is a better player than Floyd and Mercilus.

No doubt. NFP rates him as the 3rd ranked player in the entire draft. The mock has him going with the 11th pick to KC. Then Wes Bunting comments that he'd have no qualms about taking him in the top ten. Maybe that why I say drafting DeCastro is a moot point. A guy like him isn't gonna fall from where he's ranked all the way to the 19th pick and don't even think about trying to move up that far to draft him.

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Love the site Wes!! Thanks for all your great work. I was looking at the grading scale and it is awesome. I love the detail that is woven into the scale. Here is my question. How do you account for positional value within the scale? For instance, DeCastro gets an 8.5 as one of 6 guys to earn an8.0 or better. Will he go in the top 6 picks though? Of course not cause he is a guard. How do you find or predict when its god to take him? I know in the mid teens a few teams have a hole there but is there a formula for each position to find when there is a value there or is it just a gut thing? Thanks again. - paulywnfp on Jan 29


Thanks a lot for reading... As for position value, when you have a guy with two similar grades I think it plays a role then. But I would not have any qualms using a top ten pick on DeCastro bc I know I am getting as close as a sure thing as possible. Hope this makes sense....all the best
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I like what NFP's prospectus is better than I do the alternative with all the others, which is go after Floyd. I don't know whether or not they are taking into consideration that teams will be meeting some needs in free agency or what, but I do like this a lot.

The main reason I threw this up was because German's and I were PM'ing it back and forth to one another and I said we should but it to the board for opinions. I'll just use the same example here that I did with Cliff Avril reaching FA. There's a better chance of Tiger Woods and Elin reconciling than there is seeing David DeCastro fall in our laps. This is a nice debate but in reality it's academic. There's no chance he's fall that far unless he breaks his leg at the combine or shoots his mother.

Originally Posted by soulman

The main reason I threw this up was because German's and I were PM'ing it back and forth to one another and I said we should but it to the board for opinions. I'll just use the same example here that I did with Cliff Avril reaching FA. There's a better chance of Tiger Woods and Elin reconciling than there is seeing David DeCastro fall in our laps. This is a nice debate but in reality it's academic. There's no chance he's fall that far unless he breaks his leg at the combine or shoots his mother.

I can already hear the bitch screaming....