Thread: Jeff Dickerson on the Bears Draft...........

Originally Posted by Blue Horse-shoe

Fine throw in the 2nd rounder then.

Never. Too many other needs. I've made this point before. How much does Joe Thomas contribute to Cleveland as far as winning championships are concerned or Jake Long in Miami? If the last hole we needed to fill was a better LT than Webb then fine. Trade whatever you have to in order to get that guy but the Bears aren't in that spot.

I'd never disagree that an offense starts with a good line and is built around a QB but spending high draft choices to get one great player instead of two or three very good players doesn't make sense to me unless that guy is a huge difference maker on your offense. For that he needs to be a QB, WR or a RB.

Originally Posted by soulman

Never. Too many other needs. I've made this point before. How much does Joe Thomas contribute to Cleveland as far as winning championships are concerned or Jake Long in Miami? If the last hole we needed to fill was a better LT than Webb then fine. Trade whatever you have to in order to get that guy but the Bears aren't in that spot.

I'd never disagree that an offense starts with a good line and is built around a QB but spending high draft choices to get one great player instead of two or three very good players doesn't make sense to me unless that guy is a huge difference maker on your offense. For that he needs to be a QB, WR or a RB.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you there. We have two third round picks to play with. Trading Briggs and a third round pick will get us into the bottom half of the first round. That should give us two first round picks and thus enable us to hopefully go for a LT and a DE in the first, provided that we settle the issue of a WR in free agency. Doing this, we would still have seven picks, so our quest for depth would not suffer, and in fact, we would be gaining one quality pick. We would have to address the issue of what to do to replace Briggs, but they can be done in the draft as well. There is one guy Windy brought up in one of his mock drafts I think of especially who played at Florida State but who for the life of me I cannot think of his name at the moment. Most likely, he will picked in either the third or fourth round. Briggs was a fifth round player, so I suspect this player, who is apparently good at playing coverage, would be a solid player to replace Briggs, who is clearly in decline and is missing tackles and not defending big bodied receivers very well anymore.

Originally Posted by soulman

Never. Too many other needs. I've made this point before. How much does Joe Thomas contribute to Cleveland as far as winning championships are concerned or Jake Long in Miami? If the last hole we needed to fill was a better LT than Webb then fine. Trade whatever you have to in order to get that guy but the Bears aren't in that spot.

I'd never disagree that an offense starts with a good line and is built around a QB but spending high draft choices to get one great player instead of two or three very good players doesn't make sense to me unless that guy is a huge difference maker on your offense. For that he needs to be a QB, WR or a RB.

Disagree. Whether u like to admit it or not there's alot of draft for the future in your philosophy. Throwing in the 2nd rounder is just 1 extra 'guy'. And a stud LT is worth more than 2 'guys'. imo

Originally Posted by Dagan81

I wholeheartedly disagree with you there. We have two third round picks to play with. Trading Briggs and a third round pick will get us into the bottom half of the first round. That should give us two first round picks and thus enable us to hopefully go for a LT and a DE in the first, provided that we settle the issue of a WR in free agency. Doing this, we would still have seven picks, so our quest for depth would not suffer, and in fact, we would be gaining one quality pick. We would have to address the issue of what to do to replace Briggs, but they can be done in the draft as well. There is one guy Windy brought up in one of his mock drafts I think of especially who played at Florida State but who for the life of me I cannot think of his name at the moment. Most likely, he will picked in either the third or fourth round. Briggs was a fifth round player, so I suspect this player, who is apparently good at playing coverage, would be a solid player to replace Briggs, who is clearly in decline and is missing tackles and not defending big bodied receivers very well anymore.

You missed some of the posts leading up to that. I said we could only afford to move up about 3-4 places with a 3rd round pick. BH-s said then throw in a second. So the proposal was to use a second and a third to move up. That's when I said "never".

Before you ever got me to give up two high draft picks for one player he better be a playmaker of such a magnitude that he'd be the equal of a Julius Peppers or a Brian Urlacher or a Megatron or Larry Fitzgerald. There is no way I give up a 2nd and 3rd for any Olineman period! The best value picks in the draft come from those rounds and we've got some great players to prove it; Tillman, Briggs, Forte, Hester, for example and we're not the only team with some great players who were second round picks. Greg Jennings and VJax would be a couple of other examples.

You bring me the next Walter Payton and you can have my 2nd and 3rd round picks but don't come showin' up with no OT or OG, LOL.

And while your at it. Pick up a snow shovel and get on over here will ya'. There's at least a foot on the ground and another 6"-12" on the way by morning. It's Ski Denver time out west!

If your trading Briggs and a 3 you better see Reiff or DeCastro. I think we need the picks to fill many holes and I don't see a instant impact guy outside of Blackmon. Briggs has a few good seasons left, it will take that long to get replacements in place so I'd keep him.

Originally Posted by soulman

You missed some of the posts leading up to that. I said we could only afford to move up about 3-4 places with a 3rd round pick. BH-s said then throw in a second. So the proposal was to use a second and a third to move up. That's when I said "never".

Before you ever got me to give up two high draft picks for one player he better be a playmaker of such a magnitude that he'd be the equal of a Julius Peppers or a Brian Urlacher or a Megatron or Larry Fitzgerald. There is no way I give up a 2nd and 3rd for any Olineman period! The best value picks in the draft come from those rounds and we've got some great players to prove it; Tillman, Briggs, Forte, Hester, for example and we're not the only team with some great players who were second round picks. Greg Jennings and VJax would be a couple of other examples.

You bring me the next Walter Payton and you can have my 2nd and 3rd round picks but don't come showin' up with no OT or OG, LOL.

And while your at it. Pick up a snow shovel and get on over here will ya'. There's at least a foot on the ground and another 6"-12" on the way by morning. It's Ski Denver time out west!

Actually I meant throw in the 2nd rounder instead of the 3rd ( didn't mean both ). I'm obsessed with LT but I wouldn't go THAT far to get one. Switch spots in the first ( offer a 3rd'er first ) up it to the 2nd rounder if need be. If I was the GM I wouldn't hesitate- u lose 1 pick but solve a major need. It's more than worth it imo.

Originally Posted by Blue Horse-shoe

Actually I meant throw in the 2nd rounder instead of the 3rd ( didn't mean both ). I'm obsessed with LT but I wouldn't go THAT far to get one. Switch spots in the first ( offer a 3rd'er first ) up it to the 2nd rounder if need be. If I was the GM I wouldn't hesitate- u lose 1 pick but solve a major need. It's more than worth it imo.

My bad, I missed that. Yeah, that second would give us the juice to move up to around #10. That's enough to have a shot at Reiff and Adams, Martin and DeCastro should still be there as well. If we could fill the WR and DE gaps in FA I wouldn't balk at using a second on a can't miss Olineman although I'd be far happier to do it for either Reiff or DeCastro than Martin or Adams. That would make more sense to me that drafting Michael Floyd.

There would still be some good picks on the board in the third to fill CB and SS or another pass rusher. If we did give up a second we'd have to make damn sure it was for a real blue chip guy.

Originally Posted by yttocs

* Screw it all, morgage the future for NOW. Trade all the future picks for say 15 years and win a SB now. It's not like the BERAS go every few years. That way I might beable to see 2 more SB's for Chicago in my life time ( with the second one a maybe) The current rate for the BEARS going to the SB is every 21 years in my life span. If they continue as they have, it will be , what 2027 or so. I need one now and then in 2027 to see 2 more in my life time. Just my greedy rant.

*= No logic was used in making this statement

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