Thread: Jeff Dickerson on the Bears Draft...........

Originally Posted by soulman

You missed some of the posts leading up to that. I said we could only afford to move up about 3-4 places with a 3rd round pick. BH-s said then throw in a second. So the proposal was to use a second and a third to move up. That's when I said "never".

Before you ever got me to give up two high draft picks for one player he better be a playmaker of such a magnitude that he'd be the equal of a Julius Peppers or a Brian Urlacher or a Megatron or Larry Fitzgerald. There is no way I give up a 2nd and 3rd for any Olineman period! The best value picks in the draft come from those rounds and we've got some great players to prove it; Tillman, Briggs, Forte, Hester, for example and we're not the only team with some great players who were second round picks. Greg Jennings and VJax would be a couple of other examples.

You bring me the next Walter Payton and you can have my 2nd and 3rd round picks but don't come showin' up with no OT or OG, LOL.

And while your at it. Pick up a snow shovel and get on over here will ya'. There's at least a foot on the ground and another 6"-12" on the way by morning. It's Ski Denver time out west!

Hey now, we've been getting up over 60 degrees for the high most days lately, and everybody around me is getting sick with all the pollen. We occasionally only get into the 40s or 50s. This has been the mildest, warmest winter I can remember in years.

Speaking of draft picks, where do you get off saying that I wanted to trade up both our second and third round picks for a first rounder? LOL. I was meaning trading up a Lance Briggs and a third rounder for a LT. I don't want to trade both a second rounder and a third rounder for a player. Having another quality player in the late first round would be sublime in my opinion. You could then focus your energies with two first round picks, albeit mid-to-low first round picks. I don't know if throwing Briggs in there would help out much in getting us into the top ten, but it's worth discussing.

Originally Posted by WindyCity

This is the guy I think we need to get used too.

I actually like him despite the negative that people have attached to him. He reminds me of Brandon Marshall with better hands he might not have 4.4, but he is so big and powerful that it doesn't matter.

I actually think the media may push him down to us.

Why draft a wide receiver in the bottom of the first round when you can sign one in free agency?

Originally Posted by Dagan81

Hey now, we've been getting up over 60 degrees for the high most days lately, and everybody around me is getting sick with all the pollen. We occasionally only get into the 40s or 50s. This has been the mildest, warmest winter I can remember in years.

Speaking of draft picks, where do you get off saying that I wanted to trade up both our second and third round picks for a first rounder? LOL. I was meaning trading up a Lance Briggs and a third rounder for a LT. I don't want to trade both a second rounder and a third rounder for a player. Having another quality player in the late first round would be sublime in my opinion. You could then focus your energies with two first round picks, albeit mid-to-low first round picks. I don't know if throwing Briggs in there would help out much in getting us into the top ten, but it's worth discussing.

You misunderstood. Blue Horse-shoe had talked about trading up using our second instead of our third to get a shot at one of the top Olineman. When he said throw in our second I thought he meant both picks. The third only gets us to around #15 or #16 whereas the second gets us to around #10. We got that straightened out a few posts back. I didn't say you were proposing that.

As for the Denver weather, well just turn on the TV. We got anywhere from 10" to 15" here in town and up to 48" just up the road a little in the front range. Beyond that the mountains got zilch. This was all "upslope" snow meaning a storm that comes in from the Northeast rather than the West. Anytime you ever see a big storm hit Denver itself it's always coming from an "upslope" weather system. Things crawled yesterday but once it stopped early this AM everything goes back to normal.

The interesting thing is that temps were in the high 50's all week before this hit. Today the high hit 28 degrees or about 30 degree less than the high on Wednesday. By this coming Tuesday we'll be right back up to the high 40's or low 50's and most of the snow will be gone. Gotta love this Colorado weather.

Here's a little local talent to whet your ears, soul. Enjoy Tall Paul! He's good to get a little drunk to.

Originally Posted by WindyCity

This is the guy I think we need to get used too.

I actually like him despite the negative that people have attached to him. He reminds me of Brandon Marshall with better hands he might not have 4.4, but he is so big and powerful that it doesn't matter.

I actually think the media may push him down to us.

His lack of speed and the fact that he's only a junior are what will push him down as much as anything. He's not anywhere near a first round ranking right now and that probably won't change. He's got Brandon Marshall size but lacks his speed and ability to separate. He's more like an undersized TE than an oversized WR.

What makes him attractive to us is; size, long arms, bulk, willingness to go over the middle and fight for the ball, can adjust to the back shoulder throw (that's a biggie because Cutler likes to throw it), big mitts so he can catch and hold on. This is a guy I'd draft in the second or early third who I think would be of more use in our offense provided we can get that top notch guy in FA.

Guys like Jefferey can make the tough grab and score points inside the red zone where size is far more important than speed. This is what we lack. Needing to use Knox and Hester on the goaline hurts us but having a guy like Jefferey lining up with Kellen Davis at TE give Cutler two big targets working the endzone. It'll be interesting to see how he ranks after the combine. The scouting report says he's had weight issues before and if shows up slow and overweight he'll drop even more.

He may be a guy to keep an eye on.


ALSHON JEFFERY WR, South Carolina

• 2011 GRADE: 6.6 S J HT: 6-4 WT: 229
• Overview

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What I like…

- Possesses elite size for the position with a long set of arms and massive pair of hands.
- Is a natural plucker of the football. Consistently is able to extend off his frame and maximize his long wingspan in order to go get the throw.
- Is very coordinated when asked to adjust to the throw, contorting his body, extending his arms and still getting his feet in bounds.
- Showcases good initial short area quickness off the line for his size. Knows how to work the jab step vs. press, get corners off balance and will drop his pad level initially into his route.
- Has a slight burst off the line at times and uses his length well to fend off defenders who try to stay engaged down the field. Does a nice job maintaining balance and keeping defenders from getting into his frame vertically.
- Locates the football well vertically. Has natural feel working the back shoulder fade with the strength to fight though contact and the grace to avoid it.
- Builds speed as he goes vertically down the field. The further down the field he's able to run the tough he is to cover because of his deceptive strider speed.
- Exhibits "plus" body control when asked to quickly collect himself and adjust to the play.
- Looks like a power forward the way he goes up and gets the football.
- Showcases some savvy as a vertical route runner looking off defenders and cleanly getting out of his breaks.
- Does a nice job gaining an initial step to the post/corner, putting the defensive back on his hip, using his big frame to shield and go get the football.
- Uses his hands well to create a little separation when corners want to be physical with him out of his breaks. His long arms and subtle strength allows him to create a little push out of his routes and separate initially.
- Snaps his head around quickly out of his breaks and exhibits elite range when asked to go snatch the football.
- Showcases a little quickness with the ball in his hands, side-stepping defenders and creating a bit after the catch.
- Will work in the run game. Has the length to gain leverage, stick to defenders and win through contact.

What I don't like…

- Isn't a real explosive self-starter. Takes him a bit to get going and reach top end speed.
- Isn't a burner either, builds speed as he goes, but looks like a 4.6 guy on tape.
- Will allow corners to get into his frame initially off the line in press coverage and often isn't as physical with his hands as your would expect.
- Will get upright off the line vs. press and too often looks to skip into his route. Would like to see him stay lower and more compact.
- Stutters his steps when trying to get out of his breaks in the three-step game and will advertise his routes a bit.
- Gets upright when running the inward breaking routes, making him susceptible to physical corners when trying to change directions.
- Never generates much separation out of his breaks on all areas of the field.
- Makes most of his plays with defensive backs draped all over him.
- Saw his production drop dramatically in 2011 due to a change at quarterback.
- Has had some issues with weight, looked a bit heavy coming into the 2011 season.

Overview: A big wide out who lacks ideal top end speed and isn't a real explosive self-starter. He does display a little short area quickness for his size, however, not enough to consistently create legit separation off the line. Does a great job extending his long arms and adjusting to the football and the further down the field he can stride the tougher he is to cover.

Nevertheless, he strikes me as a guy who is always going to have a tough time creating separation for himself at the next level. Will still be able to make his fair share of plays because of his "plus" jump ball ability and will be a dangerous threat inside the red zone where he doesn't have to run away from defenders.

Overall, Jeffery looks like a more dynamic version of Seahawks wide out Mike Williams who will be limited in the routes he can run (fade, slant, post, corner) at the next level. But can still be successful as the "Z" receiver where he will be put in motion and used a lot in two man routes with the tight end running vertical and adjusting to the throw. However, he's never going to be overly productive due to his inability to separate consistently of his breaks.

I would definitely take Alshon Jeffrey in the second round, but not before then.

Someone will reach on Jeffery late first-I'd almost bet on it Dags. If Drake could freaking DEVOLOP someone he'd be worth a bit of a stretch.

Originally Posted by lklrlolnlilklsox

Then you're not getting Alshon Jeffrey. Baldwin went 26th overall last year and Alshon is simply the better prospect. In short, never say never when it comes to WRs in the draft, but his chances are slim to none of lasting through the 20s, IMHO. If he does, I should hope Emery has the balls to trade up and grab him immediately with our second and one of the thirds.

You don't think his speed or lack thereof will push him down? The guy has size and the ability to go up and get it but the WR's are losing ground. Even Floyd's ranking has dropped after the Senior Bowl.