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David Carr Suggests Bears Should Find Somone Like Him........
Chicago Bears Report
Carr to Bears: Invest in proven backup QB
February, 1, 2012 Feb 1
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By Jeff Dickerson
INDIANAPOLIS -- David Carr has some advice for the Chicago Bears: Spend money to sign a proven, veteran No. 2 quarterback in the offseason.
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Elsa/Getty ImagesDavid Carr has played in 92 games in a 10-year NFL career, giving the Giants a veteran insurance policy for Eli Manning.
Carr, the former No. 1 overall pick of the 2002 NFL draft by the Houston Texans, now spends his days as the primary insurance policy behind quarterback Eli Manning in New York. After a 10-year pro career that has also included stops in Carolina and San Francisco, Carr believes he knows what it takes to be a successful second-string quarterback in the NFL: experience and practice reps. (Something Caleb Hanie neither of)
"Look, I started almost 100 games (79), so I know what to expect when I go out on the field," Carr said Wednesday. "[Giants] coach [Tom] Coughlin has always been smart about keeping a veteran guy. Look at the situation the Cowboys got into a couple of years ago. Jon Kitna, now maybe his best days athletically were behind him, but it was like his 14th or 15th year. The guy knows what to expect. He's not seeing a defense on a Sunday that he hasn't seen before or already faced at some point in his career. There is a lot of value to veteran quarterbacks. Young guys are great to have, and great to develop, and that's where you find the talent to push on for the next decade. But when you are in a situation like that, it's better to have a guy who has been there before. (Now you tell us, lol)
"You look at it as an insurance policy. You want to have one that's sound and has been in that situation before. As nice and as fancy as it is to get a strong-armed quarterback who has tremendous upside, there is something to be said for the Jon Kitnas of the world. I think the coaches realize that, I think general managers realize that and they start to see that. Like I said, it's great to have the young guys in there and eventually they can be starters in this league, but in situations like what came up in Chicago, you have to have a guy ready."
Being a reserve quarterback under former Bears offensive coordinator Mike Martz was tricky. Martz worked exclusively with starter Jay Cutler, virtually ignoring the other quarterbacks on the roster, until he was forced to watch tape with Caleb Hanie after Cutler broke his right thumb in November. Even then, Martz didn't have much time for Hanie outside of one private film session following Hanie's first start against Oakland. Further complicating matters was Martz's philosophy toward backup quarterbacks receiving legitimate practice reps. (Like I've been saying all along Martz did Hanie no favors at all and probably did more damage to his career than help it. After his performance as Cutler's sub I wonder just how many teams will even have an interest in the guy)
Basically, the backup never got meaningful practice reps outside of the bye week. That's a big problem, according to Carr.(Yep and that's just one of the reasons Martz is gone)
"Here as a backup it's a little bit easier just because, most of the time there is a real young guy taking the scout team reps or the defensive look reps, but coach Coughlin gives me every one of them," Carr said. "So I'm taking just as many snaps as Eli. Now, it's not the offense we are really running, but I try to translate it to our terminology. If I see the card, or see the play we are running, I try to switch it over to our language just so guys, who might play, who are in there with me will also get some reps.'
"When I was in San Francisco, I got zero reps all year as a backup quarterback. It's a tough situation, especially when you are asked to go into a game or start a football game when you haven't had a snap in three or four months. (Which is about what was expected of Hanie. Carr struggled with it even though he'd been a starter previous to that)
"People can't imagine how hard that is." (Well we got to observe it first hand)
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So who do we take a look at? Shaun Hill is one guy who may be worth a look.
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The list is actually pretty slim for veteran backup QB's.
Jason Campbell, Chad Henne, Shaun Hill are just a few names off the top of my head, that stand out of that group.
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I'd love to take a shot at Matt Flynn if the Packers can't keep him but I know he'll want to go somewhere he can get a shot at starting.
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Name one backup QB who has won a Superbowl.
Case closed.
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Originally Posted by
Jimmors
Name one backup QB who has won a Superbowl.
Case closed.
Case reopened: Tom Brady.
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Originally Posted by
Jimmors
Name one backup QB who has won a Superbowl.
Case closed.
Not sure what your point is. This year we lost any chance we had because we didn't have an adequately prepared backup. I'm just working on a way to stay in the hunt if Cutler goes down. Winning the SB is the secondary consideration.
FWIW David Carr is also an UFA this year so maybe he's lobbying for a look see.
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Originally Posted by
soulman
Not sure what your point is. This year we lost any chance we had because we didn't have an adequately prepared backup. I'm just working on a way to stay in the hunt if Cutler goes down. Winning the SB is the secondary consideration.
FWIW David Carr is also an UFA this year so maybe he's lobbying for a look see.
And my point is...it doesnt really matter who your backup is...it wont win you any championships. Sure...backups can look good, but the Patriots didnt win a SB with Cassel, we didnt make it to one with Hanie, so i wouldnt be too concerned about who are backup is, they are only useful for a few games.
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Originally Posted by
Jimmors
And my point is...it doesnt really matter who your backup is...it wont win you any championships. Sure...backups can look good, but the Patriots didnt win a SB with Cassel, we didnt make it to one with Hanie, so i wouldnt be too concerned about who are backup is, they are only useful for a few games.
I know what you're saying about not winning a SB but you still gotta have one and there's a few out there. We can surely find one who's better than McCown. Hell, Dilfer wasn't even as good as some backups when he won a Super Bowl. I don't see Cutler as a guy who gets injured often. The thumb thing was a pretty freak occurence and he was willing to play in the 2011 Championship Game on a bum knee so he's as tough as we're likely to find but there still needs to be someone who can competently run the offense just in case.
We'd have been in the playoffs and JA would most likely still have his job if he hadn't overlooked that.
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Originally Posted by
soulman
I know what you're saying about not winning a SB but you still gotta have one and there's a few out there. We can surely find one who's better than McCown. Hell, Dilfer wasn't even as good as some backups when he won a Super Bowl. I don't see Cutler as a guy who gets injured often. The thumb thing was a pretty freak occurence and he was willing to play in the 2011 Championship Game on a bum knee so he's as tough as we're likely to find but there still needs to be someone who can competently run the offense just in case.
We'd have been in the playoffs and JA would most likely still have his job if he hadn't overlooked that.
Cutler wouldn't have even gotten hurt if he'd just done what most QB's do when the chance to make the tackle happens - some half assed fly by. But Cutty is a true competitor who hates losing so .....
Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor though.
What should you call any : Fumble , Hold , Interception , Three and out , or Sack ?
A " F.H.I.T.S " ? or a J'Marcus ?
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