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Lovie's philosophy is going to be all in next season imo. Thus it wouldn't surprise me at all if they sign some of these 'older' players who probably have a couple good years left in their tanks. Lovie has to win if he wants to keep his HC title so I doubt he's in rebuild mode. Some here may not like it, ( some sound like they're in rebuild mode already ) but a Reggie Wayne makes sense to me (as long as he still wants it bad enough). They better sign guys who want to PLAY.... not guys looking to collect a paycheck for a few more years like Droptimus Prime.
If were in the position to play this hand I'd be doing something on the order of what you suggest. We know they intend to rebuild for the future through the draft which explains why Emery was hired. In the meantime there's enough talent on the team to make a serious run for a SB provided we fill a few major holes.
So I rent some vets for a couple of years while I draft and develop their successors. You bring in guys that still have some miles left on them like a Mathis and a Wayne a vet CB to challenge Jennings and a vet LT that can backstop Webb if he falls on his face or gets injured. OMG has to go.
Now draft a DE, a WR, a CB, SS, LT and a LB and start developing those guys alongside last years picks so that two years from now we have a much younger team that we've rebuilt on the fly. That's what's kept GB and NE and Pitt from falling off the face of the earth like Indy finally did.
FWIW that would be my plan.
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I really do like Meachem as a potential signing. He has, no doubt, the most untapped potential in this FA class. He also has a certain one-dimensional note to his game in the Saints system where the bulk of his routes were field-stretching ones, and that can be risky when you are throwing around WR money in a desperate situation.
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Originally Posted by
lklrlolnlilklsox I really do like Meachem as a potential signing. He has, no doubt, the most untapped potential in this FA class. He also has a certain one-dimensional note to his game in the Saints system where the bulk of his routes were field-stretching ones, and that can be risky when you are throwing around WR money in a desperate situation.
That seems to be the biggest drawback with Meachem. He's got size and speed but will he go over the middle? Can he play between the hash marks or is he strictly a downfield type guy?
What about Reggie Wayne? Not so young but still productive even in that offense last year. Should have a couple of years left in his tank while we develop a younger guy.
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Originally Posted by
soulman That seems to be the biggest drawback with Meachem. He's got size and speed but will he go over the middle? Can he play between the hash marks or is he strictly a downfield type guy?
What about Reggie Wayne? Not so young but still productive even in that offense last year. Should have a couple of years left in his tank while we develop a younger guy.
My problem with Reggie Wayne is there is not going to be an improvement or development, instead we are stuck with a straight decline because he is 34 years old this season.
Meachem to me represents a lower cost and a higher upside signing then many in the free agent market.
The Bears can also protect themselves by drafting Kendall Wright or Michael Floyd.
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WindyCity My problem with Reggie Wayne is there is not going to be an improvement or development, instead we are stuck with a straight decline because he is 34 years old this season.
Meachem to me represents a lower cost and a higher upside signing then many in the free agent market.
The Bears can also protect themselves by drafting Kendall Wright or Michael Floyd.
What's nice about Wayne is that you know exactly what you're getting from him. Sure, he's only going to decline at this point, but he's still head and shoulders above what we have now. Probably still would be in a year or two. Meachem is still a bit of a mystery since he hasn't been featured in an offense yet. That being said, I'd be happy with either one.
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My problem w/Wayne is that he was at his best as Robin to Harrison's Batman. Since Harrison left he disappeared and was replaced by a few different WR's. I'm not sure if that is b/c of age, or b/c he was just a better fit as a #2 that doesn't have to get looks. Now add to that his age, and him now playing at soldier field instead of a perfect dome stadium. I'd have real reservations about his age, lack of production since Harrison and our field conditions.
Meacham is a mystery, but not a huge gamble w/a potentially huge uptick. He's still not a legit #1 that will make teams fear him day 1, but we could either go and get an Eddie Royal on top of that, instead of just a Colston or Bowe or Jackson; and our WR core is now shore'd up for another few years, and we can center the draft around the lines early on.
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Riczaj01 My problem w/Wayne is that he was at his best as Robin to Harrison's Batman. Since Harrison left he disappeared and was replaced by a few different WR's.
Wayne's #'s look pretty darn good to me. Harrison was still there in 2007-08 but had awful seasons. Wayne took over during that lull and hasn't looked back since.
| Year | Team | G | GS | Rec | Yards | AVG | TD |
| 2007 | IND | 16 | 16 | 104 | 1510 | 14.5 | 10 |
| 2008 | IND | 16 | 16 | 82 | 1145 | 14.0 | 6 |
| 2009 | IND | 16 | 16 | 100 | 1264 | 12.7 | 10 |
| 2010 | IND | 16 | 16 | 111 | 1355 | 12.2 | 6 |
| 2011 | IND | 16 | 16 | 75 | 960 | 12.8 | 4 |
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Originally Posted by
WindyCity My problem with Reggie Wayne is there is not going to be an improvement or development, instead we are stuck with a straight decline because he is 34 years old this season.
Meachem to me represents a lower cost and a higher upside signing then many in the free agent market.
The Bears can also protect themselves by drafting Kendall Wright or Michael Floyd.
Reggie Wayne was still a productive performer even in that horrible offense Indy fielded this year and he should still have another year or two left in his tank. That's all we need to buy us time to develop a younger guy to take his place. In the meantime we get a crafty vet who can get open and catch who knows how to work in the passing game. In the short run he may well be the best bang for the buck and that's all we need to get some improvement.
Meachem's primary drawback as sox pointed out is that he's been used primarily as a deep threat and a decoy to open up passing lanes underneath. The guy has the requisite size and speed for the position but can and will he go over the middle where we need the most help? Can he play between the hash marks? If he can then you're right, he has the most upside of any of the 2nd tier guys but if he can't we still need that guy.
If there is either a very good pass rusher or LT on the board we'd be crazy to draft a WR in the first round. As it stands Blackmon is the only guy who rates a top 1st round pick. Wright is intriguing but small and Floyd and Jeffery's stock will continue to fall unless they show some wheels at the Combine. There are players who'll be there in the 2nd and 3rd that aren't much different than them and represent less risk. The only way we should take a WR is if that the only choice and we trade back to do it. As it stands neither Floyd or Jefferey is worth that #19 pick.
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Originally Posted by
soulman Reggie Wayne was still a productive performer even in that horrible offense Indy fielded this year and he should still have another year or two left in his tank. That's all we need to buy us time to develop a younger guy to take his place. In the meantime we get a crafty vet who can get open and catch who knows how to work in the passing game. In the short run he may well be the best bang for the buck and that's all we need to get some improvement.
Meachem's primary drawback as sox pointed out is that he's been used primarily as a deep threat and a decoy to open up passing lanes underneath. The guy has the requisite size and speed for the position but can and will he go over the middle where we need the most help? Can he play between the hash marks? If he can then you're right, he has the most upside of any of the 2nd tier guys but if he can't we still need that guy.
If there is either a very good pass rusher or LT on the board we'd be crazy to draft a WR in the first round. As it stands Blackmon is the only guy who rates a top 1st round pick. Wright is intriguing but small and Floyd and Jeffery's stock will continue to fall unless they show some wheels at the Combine. There are players who'll be there in the 2nd and 3rd that aren't much different than them and represent less risk. The only way we should take a WR is if that the only choice and we trade back to do it. As it stands neither Floyd or Jefferey is worth that #19 pick.
I agree with your assessment and I would not pass on one of the top 4 OTs in the draft for Michael Floyd.
However we disagree about the DE class as I do not see anyone outside of Quentin Coples that is a clean prospect. I feel the WR and DE classes are very similar as their are major question marks about most of the 1st round talent.
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Riczaj01 My problem w/Wayne is that he was at his best as Robin to Harrison's Batman. Since Harrison left he disappeared and was replaced by a few different WR's. I'm not sure if that is b/c of age, or b/c he was just a better fit as a #2 that doesn't have to get looks. Now add to that his age, and him now playing at soldier field instead of a perfect dome stadium. I'd have real reservations about his age, lack of production since Harrison and our field conditions.
Meacham is a mystery, but not a huge gamble w/a potentially huge uptick. He's still not a legit #1 that will make teams fear him day 1, but we could either go and get an Eddie Royal on top of that, instead of just a Colston or Bowe or Jackson; and our WR core is now shore'd up for another few years, and we can center the draft around the lines early on.
Originally Posted by
Papa Bear Wayne's #'s look pretty darn good to me. Harrison was still there in 2007-08 but had awful seasons. Wayne took over during that lull and hasn't looked back since.
| Year | Team | G | GS | Rec | Yards | AVG | TD |
| 2007 | IND | 16 | 16 | 104 | 1510 | 14.5 | 10 |
| 2008 | IND | 16 | 16 | 82 | 1145 | 14.0 | 6 |
2009
| IND | 16 | 16 | 100 | 1264 | 12.7 | 10 |
| 2010 | IND | 16 | 16 | 111 | 1355 | 12.2 | 6 |
| 2011 | IND | 16 | 16 | 75 | 960 | 12.8 | 4 |
And he's looked pretty good to me too PB. This is the problem with making the assumption that Marvin Harrison was the star and Reggie Wayne just part of the supporting cast. Over the past 3 seasons the guy has averaged 95 catches a years, gained over 3500 years receiving and scored 20 tds. That doesn't look like a guy in decline to me.
This year even playing without Manning he still caught 75 passes and gained almost 1000 yards. He's 33 years old but he's not dead yet. Jerry Rice played until he was 40. There's no reason why Reggie Wayne can't stay productive for another couple of years with Cutler throwing to him and a couple of good years is all we need to have time to develop a younger guy to replace him. Reggie Wayne is still capable of being a #1 WR on this team and I guarantee that if you team him up with Earl Bennett we'll have a hell of a lot better passing game than we've had in ages.
I think the problem is everyone wants the "flavor of the month" WR like all the hoopla over MM when if you take the time to look at the numbers Marion Manningham doesn't even come close to comparing with Reggie Wayne no matter how much younger he is. We could use, Jay Cutler could use a crafty vet like Reggie Wayne playing catch with him.
Robert Meachem has some promise but also some question marks about his ability to become a #1 guy. Give me Reggie Wayne for a couple of years and sign Eddie Royal as a hedge against Knox not being able to return later this year and I'd be a happy camper. That's two very productive guys, one young and one older but both guys who can step in and improve our WR situation day one.
Last edited by soulman; 02-10-2012 at 12:17 PM.
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