Screw The Expensive WR's, Sign These Two And We Improve 100%..........

**soulman** · 02-10-2012, 01:07 PM

Reggie Wayne may not be the biggest guy out there (same size as Greg Jennings though) and he's not the youngest (Jerry Rice played until he was 40) but he's a savvy vet who can get open and catch the ball anywhere on the field you want him to go.

I've seen some put him down because of his age claiming he's in decline and hasn't performed well since Marvin Harrision retired. Well if you take the time to look at his stats you can see nothing is farther from the truth. In the last three years since Harrison's departure Reggie has taken over as the Colts #1 WR and averaged 95 catches per year. He's gained over 3500 yards and scored 20 tds. Don't look like a man in a decline to me. Even without Manning in that crappy Indy offense this past year he caught 75 passes for almost 1000 yards.

Put Wayne and Bennett out there for Cutler to throw to as the #1 and #2 WR's and the passing game will sing like it hasn't sung since the days of Conway and Graham. The other benefit is that Reggie Wayne may well be the best bargain out there. He'd cost less than half of what we'd pay for a VJax a Colston or a Dwayne Bowe. This is a guy we should give some serious considersation to.

Reggie Wayne #87 WR
Indianapolis Colts | Official Team Site
Height: 6-0 Weight: 198 Age: 33
Born: 11/17/1978 New Orleans , LA
College: Miami (Fla.)
Experience: 11th season
High School: John Ehret HS [Marrero, LA]

REC
75

YDS
960

AVG
12.8

TDS
4

Recent Games more
WK	OPP	RESULT	Receiving					Rushing					Fumbles
			Rec	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Att	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	FUM	Lost
15	TEN	W 27-13	3	33	11.0	18T	1	--	--	--	--	--	--	--

16	HOU	W 19-16	8	106	13.3	34	1	--	--	--	--	--	--	--

17	@JAC	L 13-19	8	73	9.1	14	0	--	--	--	--	--	--	--

Career Stats more
Season	Team			Receiving					Rushing					Fumbles
		G	GS	Rec	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Att	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	FUM	Lost
2011	Indianapolis Colts	16	16	75	960	12.8	56T	4	--	--	--	--	--	--	--

2010	Indianapolis Colts	16	16	111	1,355	12.2	50	6	--	--	--	--	--	1	1

2009	Indianapolis Colts	16	16	100	1,264	12.6	65T	10	--	--	--	--	--	--	--

2008	Indianapolis Colts	16	16	82	1,145	14.0	65T	6	--	--	--	--	--	--	--

2007	Indianapolis Colts	16	16	104	1,510	14.5	64	10	1	4	4.0	4	0	3	3

2006	Indianapolis Colts	16	16	86	1,310	15.2	51T	9	--	--	--	--	--	1	0

2005	Indianapolis Colts	16	16	83	1,055	12.7	66T	5	--	--	--	--	--	1	0

2004	Indianapolis Colts	16	16	77	1,210	15.7	71T	12	1	-4	-4.0	-4	0	--	--

2003	Indianapolis Colts	16	16	68	838	12.3	57T	7	--	--	--	--	--	--	--

2002	Indianapolis Colts	16	7	49	716	14.6	49	4	--	--	--	--	--	2	1

2001	Indianapolis Colts	13	9	27	345	12.8	43	0	--	--	--	--	--	--	--

TOTAL				862	11,708	13.6	71	73	2	0	0.0	4	0	8	5

All this talk about Mario Manningham got me and a few others thinking about the wisdom of not depending on Knox's immediate return this coming year. It's a good point and since we aren't certain (and neither is he right now) we would probably be smart to hedge our bets if we can but MM is not the guy.

Once again compare what Eddie Royal has accomplished in his career in the same number of years that MM has played. Play special attention to his 2008 season playing with Cutler in Denver. He's never been as productive since but then again Denver hasn't had a real QB like Cutler since either. One other benefit with Royal is that he's an exceptional return specialist as well. MM is not. If Knox can't return to his previous form we not only lose our top WR but also a very good KOR specialist so it would make sense to hedge with a player who can do both. Royal does, MM does not.

When Tebow took over as QB in Denver Royal's production suffered right along with every other receiver on the Broncos. He should be screaming to get out of that situation and if it meant being reuinited with Cutler I think he'd jump at the chance. His future is on the rocks here in Denver for as long as Tebow is the man. Royal is another guy who you won't have to break the bank to sign. In fact we could get both Royal and Wayne for less money than the $9 mil it would probably take to sign just one of the others we often talk about.

Eddie Royal #19 WR
Denver Broncos | Official Team Site
Height: 5-10 Weight: 185 Age: 25
Born: 5/21/1986 Alexandria , VA
College: Virginia Tech
Experience: 4th season
High School: Paul VI HS [Fairfax, VA]; S. Lakes HS [Reston, VA]; Westfield HS [Chantilly, VA]

REC
19

YDS
155

AVG
8.2

TDS
1

Recent Games more
WK	OPP	RESULT	Receiving					Rushing					Fumbles
			Rec	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Att	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	FUM	Lost
15	NE	L 23-41	0	0	--	--	0	--	--	--	--	--	--	--

16	@BUF	L 14-40	1	2	2.0	2	0	--	--	--	--	--	--	--

17	KC	L 3-7	0	0	--	--	0	2	18	9.0	10	0	--	--

Career Stats more
Season	Team			Receiving					Rushing					Fumbles
		G	GS	Rec	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Att	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	FUM	Lost
2011	Denver Broncos	12	8	19	155	8.2	26T	1	7	48	6.9	11	0	--	--

2010	Denver Broncos	16	10	59	627	10.6	41	3	6	61	10.2	20	0	4	2

2009	Denver Broncos	14	12	37	345	9.3	20	0	1	1	1.0	1	0	1	0

2008	Denver Broncos	15	15	91	980	10.8	93T	5	11	109	9.9	71	0	2	1

TOTAL				206	2,107	10.2	93	9	25	219	8.8	71	0	7	3

I'm sure many will disagree with this solution but before just dismissing it look at the numbers these guys have put up (Royal's KR/PR stats aren't included but they're impressive I guarantee it) and consider how going about improving our WR core this way leaves far more $$$ left to improve some other areas which also need some attention.

We need another DE badly and if a guy like Mario Williams hits FA we're looking at spending Julius Peppers kind of money to sign him. We're not gonna be able to re-sign Forte, keep some of our own key FA's, get a WR like a VJax or Bowe and a DE like Mario Williams without some real cap magic so this is at least one way I can see to get our basic needs met more efficiently.

I think this also gets us away from reaching for a WR too soon and getting burned. We can get a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round with upside and have the time to let him grow into the roll. We've got 5 picks in 4 rounds and I'd like to see us draft for youth and depth in areas where we're getting old like DE, LB, CB and fill the gotta have it now spots in FA.

Just one man's opinion but I think I made a convincing argument huh?

**motownbear** · 02-10-2012, 01:12 PM

i disagre 10000000000000000000000000%

**short faced bear** · 02-10-2012, 01:16 PM

We need 2FA wr's so as to not put all our hopes (or injuries) on one. Add in a TE somewhere and I think the receiving corps are then more solid.

**Papa Bear** · 02-10-2012, 01:41 PM

I'd be pleased with Wayne and Royal with a 2nd or 3rd round WR thrown in as well.

**soulman** · 02-10-2012, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by motownbear

i disagre 10000000000000000000000000%

Say why you disagree 100000000000000000000000000000%. I'll listen to any logic that's better than this one for solving the myriad of personnel issues we face. What would you do mo?

**lklrlolnlilklsox** · 02-10-2012, 02:12 PM

Really do not care for what Reggie Wayne signing would mean for us. It signals another stop-gap solution when there are quite a few legitimate options to be had to help us now AND ensure the security of the position in the future. No more Moose signings, no more "lightning in a bottle" deals, just grab the true young talent and give Jay a big, reliable weapon who he can grow with and hopefully persuade him to stay in-town at the end of this contract.

**Ski-Whiz** · 02-10-2012, 02:21 PM

I think we should be looking for players that are younger and have something to prove. We've been burned too many times with vets coming in with nothing to lose.

Improve our scouting and sign bigger better WRs...

**soulman** · 02-10-2012, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by short faced bear

We need 2FA wr's so as to not put all our hopes (or injuries) on one. Add in a TE somewhere and I think the receiving corps are then more solid.

Originally Posted by Papa Bear

I'd be pleased with Wayne and Royal with a 2nd or 3rd round WR thrown in as well.

Well that 2 FA WR shorty. One who can work as a #1 while Bennett works as the #2 and another to either compete with or replace Knox or Sanz as a #3 or slot guy. TE isn't a huge need. We already have 4 on the roster to work our way through so unless someone drops in our laps in the mid rounds that's just too good to pass up I wouldn't be too concerned. I sure wouldn't rank it ahead of DE, LT, another WR, CB, LB and a SS.

That was my plan PB. After reading some of their scouting reports it seems there are some WR's with some talent who offer the size and toughness we're looking for but few if any are "road ready" to come in and make an immediate impact. That's not all that surprising and we talk about this every year. Rookie WR usually take at least two years to develop into #1 type NFL receivers. Their third year is often the breakout so if we take one we can develop behind Wayne who can probably still give us two productive years we hit right into what Emery was brought in to do. Build the future through the draft. Unfortunately the time clock is ticking in a few areas and Lovie is on a short term extension so we have to make some moves that benefit now, not two years from now and WR is one of them.

I think Emery needs to make a determination that Wayne does indeed still have it but you really can't ask for much more of a known quantity and still find a guy who won't cost you $9 mil per year. I don't think there's anything we need out of a WR that Wayne hasn't shown he can do. He's certainly worth a look if Indy let's him free.

**Henry Burris** · 02-10-2012, 02:26 PM

If desean is discounted due to his bad attitude, i would snatch him up (jay is like brady and p. manning in not putting up with stupidity from anyone, so i think he would handle him). Honestly dont want just wayne and royal, as both could just flop on us like any 1st rd wr. If we get them, we gotta draft someone to replace wayne, and incase one of them fails or gets injured, the 2nd or 3rd spot. Forget knox and hester as legit wr's; the era of angelo is over, lets look at GOOD, in prime wrs, and enough about freaking about using FA to get legit threats if we are gonna discount rookies. Not to mention wr has more problems (4) than the o-line (1)

**draw2anderson35** · 02-10-2012, 02:28 PM

I would hope Emery has long time thoughts in mind when looking at FA this off-season. Because of this, much like lklrlolnlilklsox points out, Wayne would be a band-aid on the position's needs and we would be in the same boat 1-2 yrs down the line.

With the addition of Bates though... the thought of Royal coming to Chicago isn't far fetched. Cutty/Royal with Bates had some big games back in 2008 and it seems Tice has talked about wanting to make Cutty happy & do things that made him successful in Denver.

If we loose out on Double-Wayne-Bowe and VJax the signing of Eddie wouldn't surprise me. He would also be a bit of a money saver compared to other UFA WRs out there.

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