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    Offseason position outlook: OT

    February, 13, 2012 Feb 13
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    By Michael C. Wright


    Jonathan Daniel/Getty ImagesThe Bears expect Gabe Carimi to be able to participate in at least a portion of their offseason program.
    This is the sixth installment of a 10-part series that reviews every Bears position group on offense and defense, while also taking a quick look at potential free agent targets and the top prospects in the upcoming NFL draft.

    The offensive line -- namely the tackle position -- showed progress in 2011 with a second-year player (J’Marcus Webb) starting on the left side, and rookie Gabe Carimi manning the right. Sacks per game dropped for quarterback Jay Cutler to an average of 3.25, from 3.65 in 2010. (Not really much of an improvement is it)

    Still those numbers remain too high.
    (No shit!)

    “Whenever your quarterback is getting hit, that’s a concern,” Bears coach Lovie Smith said at the end of the season. “We have a franchise quarterback first off in Jay Cutler, who is as good as there is out there. We want to protect him as much as possible. Our quarterback has been hit too many times around here. That’s one of the areas that we’ll need to improve, but it can be done.” (Then stop talking about it and do it. You can start by getting a legit LT to replace Webb and canning that oaf Omiyale)

    It won’t require revamping the unit or miraculous improvement from the players, either, despite the common perception the offensive line is deficient in the talent department. What often wasn’t publicized in 2011 was the devastating effect the team’s scheme played in the line’s ability to protect Cutler. (Yes, that accounts for some of the problems but not all of the problems)

    For a good portion of the season, the Bears tried to protect Cutler using five-man protections, which essentially left Webb and Carimi -- and later Frank Omiyale and Lance Louis -- alone on the outside against opponents’ top pass rushers while making the unit undermanned in blitz situations. The team also called several plays involving five- and seven-step drops for Cutler, which extended the time the quarterback held onto the ball, thus exposing him to more potential punishment.

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    Scott Boehm/Getty ImagesJ'Marcus Webb was penalized a team-high 15 times last season, but the Bears remain high on the left tackle, who enters his third season. (Anyone who can average one major penalty per game is stooo-pid)



    Of the 23 sacks Cutler suffered in 10 outings, 18 of them occurred in the first five games.

    So the Bears eventually remedied the sack situation by calling plays that allowed Cutler to get rid of the ball quicker. The staff also employed more maximum protection on passes, kept tight ends in passing downs, and chipped with the running backs.

    The Bears plan to go a similar route in 2012 schematically with Mike Tice as the new offensive coordinator. In addition to tweaking the scheme to make it even more run oriented, the Bears plan to build into the system the ability to audible at the line of scrimmage, and install plays that employ moving pockets to take advantage of Cutler’s mobility.

    Throw in the anticipated growth of Webb, who enters his third season, and rising second-year man Carimi -- who Tice said was “playing winning football” before suffering a season-ending knee injury on Sept. 18 at New Orleans -- and it’s understandable that Smith remains optimistic about the line’s prospects for 2012.

    “I would normally not talk a lot about positions and what we’re gonna do next year,” Smith said. “But I think as we looked at the offensive line, as we’ve critiqued that offensive line in my years here so many times, I think this is the best situation we’ve been in since I’ve been here with our offensive line.” (Did he or did he not say exactly the same thing before last season? Somebody needs to change his tape loop)

    THE CURRENT ROSTER

    J’Marcus Webb: The most maligned of the team’s tackles, Webb started his first season at left tackle after starting on the right side as a rookie. According to Pro Football Focus, Webb ranked as the worst full-time starter at his position in the NFL, and was responsible for 38 pressures. In addition Webb was penalized a team-high 15 times for 82 yards (43 nullified), resulting in eight stalled drives. The staff remains high on the left tackle, and Tice often defended Webb’s play in 2011. (Shouldn't this read "the staff remains high, which is why they feel this way about Webb"? Must be some really good shit they're smoking at Halas Hall these days)

    Part of that stems from the immense talent Webb possesses, which has allowed him to put forth lights-out performances against some of the league’s best. Case in point: Webb’s strong outing on Nov. 7 against the Philadelphia Eagles. In that game, Webb -- matched up against one of the league’s best pass rushers in Trent Cole -- surrendered only one pressure on 36 drop backs. The team’s first inclination will be to leave Webb on the left side, but it could explore moving over Carimi from the right side or moving Chris Williams from guard back to tackle. (When does his immense talent show up or are they talking about the enormous amount of fried chicken he ate that one day at training camp. There has also been no indication, not even a whisper, that either Carimi or Williams will be moved to LT)

    Gabe Carimi: The 29th pick of the 2011 draft, Carimi became an immediate starter at right tackle. Although not as gifted physically as Webb, Carimi makes very few mistakes and is a hard-nosed competitor. A partial dislocation of Carimi’s right kneecap suffered Sept. 18 at New Orleans ended a promising start from the rookie. Then Carimi opted in December to undergo further surgery to stabilize his right knee. The latest procedure will tighten ligaments and require Carimi to rehab for four months, according to sources. But the team expects Carimi to be able to participate in at least a portion of the offseason program. Carimi elected to undergo the procedure to keep his knee from becoming a recurring issue so the prognosis is positive. (At least there's some good news on that front. May as well get it fixed for good so it doesn't happen a 3rd time)

    MEL KIPER'S TOP 5 OT PROSPECTS (Why is Mike Adams who is an OT not metioned yet Osemele who's listed as an OG is. Mel too busy buying hair products to proof read his stuff?)

    1. Matt Kalil Southern Cal 6-7, 295
    2. Riley Reiff Iowa 6-6, 300
    3. Jonathan Martin Stanford 6-6, 291
    4. Zebrie Sanders Florida State 6-6, 307
    5. Kelechi Osemele Iowa State 6-5, 335
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    Frank Omiyale: The Bears' second-most penalized offensive lineman, Omiyale was flagged seven times for 35 yards in 2011, resulting in three stalled drives. Despite the negative perception of Omiyale, the staff is actually high on the veteran as a swing tackle, capable of backing up multiple spots. A seven-year veteran, Omiyale started three games at right tackle last season. He’s scheduled to make $2.1 million in the final year of a four-year contract signed in 2009. (Smokin's that same shit and gettin' high on OMG is getting real close to an overdose. It has to take almost that to see anything in that turd. Save the $2.1 mil and give it someone whose earned it by actually blocking someone like Davis)

    Levi Horn: Signed with the team as an undrafted rookie in 2010, Horn has spent the majority of his time on the Bears practice squad. The club promoted Horn to the active roster in November, but he was inactive for the final six games. Although he’s listed as a tackle, Horn also worked at guard with the second team during training camp last year. Horn could eventually develop into the Bears' swing tackle. (Sweet Jesus yes, anything that would put an end to our OMG misery. I don't care if the guy is a squirell rapist like kegger. We can live with that. For the love of God just get rid of Omiyale)

    Perry Dorrestein: An undrafted rookie from Michigan, Dorrestein signed to the Bears practice squad on Nov. 23. Dorrestein started 31 games at Michigan over three years. But it’s unclear whether he’ll still be with the team in late July for training camp. (Not all that unclear really)

    Bears free agents: None

    POTENTIAL FREE AGENT TARGETS (Wow, what a distinguished group. Now Angelo blowing it last year looks evern worse doesn't it?)

    Jared Gaither, San Diego Chargers, unrestricted
    Demetrius Bell, Buffalo Bills, unrestricted
    •Marcus McNeil, San Diego Chargers, (will be cut in March, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune)

    WHY BEARS MIGHT STAND PAT (All you gotta do is look at that list and it would be real easy to figure out)


    The Bears consider themselves set at the starting positions.
    But there has to be some concern about the potential timeline for Carimi’s expected recovery. Still, the club has enough depth to compensate for a delayed recovery so the Bears aren’t likely to spend in free agency at tackle. Tice has said that unless a can’t-miss prospect falls into the team’s lap in the draft, it likely wouldn’t use a first-round pick on an offensive lineman, either. But that doesn’t mean the Bears won’t acquire some players late in the draft or add a couple of undrafted rookies. Tice is considered one of the league’s best at evaluating offensive linemen, and he has a track record for uncovering unheralded gems. (How about a heralded gem or two this year Mike) Also keep this in mind: Tice prefers offensive linemen with the body type and size of tackles that can also kick inside to play guard. (Well Dags, Windy, unless they're blowing smoke up our collective asses neither of you boys is gonna get your wish. Standing pat with Webb and OMG as two of your tackles is like not drawing on a pair of dueces when someone else opened in a game of Jacks or better. They are either high or it's mass hypnosis.)
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    It's just inconceivable to me that they can continue to have faith in Webb all because he had one or two good games. The sheer number of bad ones and his mistakes makes it so hard to believe that I can't conceive of how. It must be some form of mass hypnosis if they've been watching video of the games we watched.
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    I don't care what other will say, but 2 of our first 4 Picks this year should go to improve the OL. Some weren't bad, but they were far away from good

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    Quote Originally Posted by GermansbombedPH View Post
    I don't care what other will say, but 2 of our first 4 Picks this year should go to improve the OL. Some weren't bad, but they were far away from good
    Should maybe but will, I doubt it by the way it sounds. Let's hope for a miracle.

    Hey, what in the hell time is it in Bavaria anyway? Is the sun just coming up or is it mid morning or afternoon or what. I can't believe I'm up this late except I have no appointments tomorrow so I intend to be very lazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Should maybe but will, I doubt it by the way it sounds. Let's hope for a miracle.

    Hey, what in the hell time is it in Bavaria anyway? Is the sun just coming up or is it mid morning or afternoon or what. I can't believe I'm up this late except I have no appointments tomorrow so I intend to be very lazy.
    posted this between 10-11 AM

    right now, it's between 3-4 PM
    Time difference Central Europe <-> Chicago = 7 hours
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    Soul what's even more baffeling then their faith in Webb is their faith in Omy...at least Webb is fairly young and still learning. Omy's been bad for years and just needs to get.

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    Offseason position outlook: Defensive line

    By Michael C. Wright


    AP Photo/Charles Rex ArbogastThe Bears' Israel Idonije has 13 sacks over the past two seasons as the full-time starter at defensive end. (What we need is another guy who can do that in one season)


    This is the seventh installment of a 10-part series that reviews every Bears position group on offense and defense, while also taking a quick look at potential free agent targets and the top prospects in the upcoming NFL draft.

    The defensive line combined for all but three of the team’s 33 sacks, with defensive end Julius Peppers racking up a team-high 11 for his third double-digit sack campaign in four years.

    But the Bears finished 2011 tied for 19th in that statistic, which wasn’t sufficient in the eyes of Bears coach Lovie Smith.(Not for a Super Bowl run it isn't)

    “We got good pressure from our front four,” Smith said. “But to say that we got enough the entire [season], I can’t say that. Each year that I’ve been here, we’ve tried to improve our defensive line; that’s always. You look at our league [and] we’ve got three quarterbacks I think that threw for over 5,000 yards. You need to be able to rush them better. That is an area we need to improve.” (Yeah we improved but coming from where we were in 2010 that's not saying much. Ranked 19th out of 32 teams don't cut it)

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    AP Photo/Charles Rex ArbogastHenry Melton impressed in his first season as a starter, recording seven sacks. (Best we've had since Tommie Harris' early years)



    The team ushered in the post-Tommie Harris era at defensive tackle with strong campaigns from first-year starter Henry Melton and free-agent acquisition Amobi Okoye, who combined for 11 sacks. Melton posted seven sacks, which tied for third in the NFL at his position, and Okoye’s four sacks tied him for 11th.(Okoye is a must sign FA. He's young and he's a decent pass rusher. I'd like to see him, Melton, and Paea playing a lot this year)

    But the rest of that position group didn’t contribute much to the team’s totals, although it did fare well at stuffing the run.

    The Bears ranked No. 5 in the NFL against the run, and according to STATS LLC, tied for the second most “stuffs”
    -- a tackle of a rusher for negative yards -- in the league in 2011 with 54 for 144 yards in losses. Since 2004, the Bears lead the NFL with 452 stuffs, and the defensive tackle position plays a significant role in the team’s ability to post such numbers.

    That doesn’t mean the position group doesn’t need to improve. With Melton and Matt Toeaina set as the starters, the team needs to coax more out of veteran Adams -- who is coming off somewhat of a down year -- as well as Amobi, a free agent, and 2011 second-round pick Stephen Paea, who wasn’t able to crack the rotation until Week 6. (AA is slipping and Paea should be getting his snaps this year. Toe is fine. Good run stopper but no pass rush)

    The defensive ends, meanwhile, might be in line for an upgrade opposite Peppers. With opponents devoting so much to neutralize Peppers, his counterpart -- Israel Idonije -- contributed just five sacks in 2011, and is set to become a free agent. The staff considers Idonije a “core player”, but it would seem unlikely the team would be interested in bringing him back as anything more than a rotational player. (Izzy isn't going anywhere. He bleeds navy and orange and he won't hold them up for a big paycheck. He wants to stay in Chicago but he needs to play less and sit more. Others see this differently but a top notch pass rusher to play opposite Peppers is a huge need in our defense. We're finally getting some push from the DT's but 16 sacks by the DE's isn't near enough. Several players got more than that all by themselves. We need two DE's with double digit sacks and for Izzy to still get his 6 or 7. Gotta get another pass rusher this offseason and a good one)

    THE CURRENT ROSTER

    Anthony Adams: Played the first seven games -- starting two -- but was inactive for five of the team’s next eight outings. Adams hadn’t been inactive in that many contests since 2008. Nagging injuries appeared to be a factor in Adams’ struggles, and Smith also cited mediocre practices as one of the reasons for the veteran’s lack of playing time. Adams contributed 17 tackles and eight quarterback pressures, but finished without a sack in 2011 for the first time since the 2008 season. Adams enters the final year of a two-year contract signed just before the start of last year’s training camp, and is scheduled to receive $1.9 million in base salary. He’ll count $2.65 million against the salary cap. (Which means we can save a little over a mil by cutting him. I think it's time)

    Henry Melton: The coaching staff -- especially Smith -- raved about Melton all offseason, and the three-year veteran justified the team’s position with a promising debut as an NFL starter. Melton notched 16 tackles and seven sacks to go with 34 quarterback pressures. Melton started the season with six tackles, three sacks and 12 quarterback pressures in his first four games, but experienced a lull in production. Melton admitted to pacing himself as an attempt to conserve energy for the duration of games, and thinks that played a role in his inconsistency. With a year of experience as a full-time starter, Melton will be a more consistent performer in 2012. (Best inside rusher we've had since Tommie Harris. Can he get even better?)

    Jordan Miller: Originally signed as an undrafted free agent out of Southern, Miller caught the staff’s attention in training camp and the preseason, eventually earning a spot on the practice squad. Miller needs to take full advantage of the club’s conditioning program to make a legitimate push to get on the field in 2012.

    Amobi Okoye: Signed to a one-year contract last Aug. 1 that included a paltry signing bonus of $82,500, Okoye -- a former first-round pick of the Houston Texans -- appeared to be merely a reclamation project. But Okoye proved much more by contributing four sacks, 27 tackles and 27 quarterback pressures. Keep in mind Okoye came into the 2011 season with just 11 career sacks in 150 career games. Instead of being a bust, Okoye appears to have been miscast in Houston’s 3-4 scheme because his skill set is more conducive to success in an attacking one-gap system. The Bears will likely try to bring back the free agent if the sides can agree to a cap-friendly deal. (Gotta keep him around. With more playing time he could easily get twice that many sacks. He's almost as quick as Melton)

    Stephen Paea: Paea’s strange inactivity over the first five games conjured “bust” whispers. But the truth is the second-round pick struggled to transition into the pro game, and was also working through the soreness and fatigue associated with recovering from a knee injury suffered prior to the draft. Paea contributed two sacks, 18 tackles and two quarterback pressures as a rookie. The defensive tackle recorded the club’s eighth safety since 2004 when he sacked Donovan McNabb in the end zone in Week 6. Paea spent the majority of last offseason rehabbing from the knee injury. But now that he’s fully healthy, expect Paea to grow tremendously this offseason. (I think we got a real diamond in the rough here. On that sack of McNabb he moved so quick and with such a power burst he was damn near to McNabb before he could even tuck the ball away. He, Okoye, and Melton should see a lot of playing time on passing downs. This bunch could easily come up with 20 sacks between them)

    Matt Toeaina: The starting nose tackle, and one of the main reasons the Bears were successful stuffing the run, Toeaina tallied 21 tackles and no sacks, and was inactive four games because of a sprained knee. Toeaina posted a season-high five stops on Dec. 18 against the Seattle Seahawks. Having signed an extension in December 2010, Toeina is under contract through 2013. (Not a huge guy but like a lot of those Samoan or Tongan players, like Paea, these boys have tremedous natural strength in the legs and the trunk as well as their upper bodies. Toe is one of the best FA pickups we've ever gotten)

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    Scott Cunningham/Getty ImagesJulius Peppers recorded a team-high 11 sacks for the Bears last season.



    Julius Peppers: Peppers posted nine of his sacks over the final 11 games, and he tallied at least one in seven of those outings to eclipse 10 sacks for the seventh time in 10 NFL seasons. Peppers also forced three fumbles to run his career total to 36. That number ranks as the fourth-most in the NFL over the past 10 seasons. Interestingly, the majority of Peppers’ production seemed to come after Week 5 when the veteran suffered a sprained knee in a loss to the Detroit Lions. (What can you say about Pep that hasn't already been said. The guy is a warrior and I think coming to Chicago rejuvenated his career. I think he likes playing for Lovie and with guys like Uralcher and Briggs. But we do need to get him some pass rushing help. He can't do it all by himself but he'll try to do it just the same)

    Israel Idonije: Contributed five sacks, and now has 13 over the past two seasons as the full-time starter. Idonije also scored a touchdown on a recovered fumble in the end zone in Week 15 against the Seahawks. Although the veteran set career highs in tackles (57), and fumble recoveries (2), Idonije might not be back with the Bears in 2012 as the starter opposite Peppers. Idonije just finished the final season of a three-year contract, and will likely be allowed to test free agency for a more lucrative deal than what the Bears might be inclined to pay. (I could be wrong but I don't think $$$ is a huge issue with Izzy. IMO just as long as they make him a fair offer he'll stay. He's a great guy in the rotation but as a starter he's limited as far as his pass rush is concerned. But he still the best LDE we've had in a while)

    Corey Wootton: Seemed to be putting together a strong training camp, but nagging injuries derailed what could have been a breakout season. Wootton suffered a knee injury on the opening kickoff of the exhibition opener that required arthroscopic surgery. After sitting out the first three games, Wootton returned in Week 4 to face the Carolina Panthers. In the week of practice leading up to the following game at Detroit, Wootton suffered a broken hand. Wootton possesses the potential to develop into a starter, but needs to find a way to shake the injuries. (That's no lie. If he can't stay healthy and contribute this year he becomes just one more casualty in a string of DE failures we've had stretching back over the last 10 years or so. If this kid has anything to show now is the time to do it or his ass will be gone next year)

    Thaddeus Gibson: Signed to the active roster on Dec. 19, Gibson contributed on special teams in the last two games of the season. A former fourth-round pick of the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2010, Gibson possesses impressive physical attributes, but is raw. Defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli seems to be the ideal coach to aid in Gibson’s development. (Yawn. Another Nick Reed or Mario Addison?)

    Chauncey Davis: Signed with the Bears in November, Davis made three tackles in a loss to the Oakland Raiders in his debut. Davis played the final six games and registered nine tackles and a sack. Prior to joining the Bears, Davis played in 96 games (25 starts) in seven seasons with the Atlanta Falcons. (He's got some ability a run stopper but doesn't bring much of a pass rush with him)

    Bears free agents: Okoye and Idonije

    POTENTIAL FREE-AGENT TARGETS (This is a far more intriuging list than the OT one but the better guy will have big price tags attached to them. Do we have enough cap room to have two high priced DE's? I'm wondering why Robert Mathis isn't on this list)

    •DT Jason Jones, Tennessee Titans, unrestricted
    •DT Cory Redding, Baltimore Ravens, unrestricted
    •DT Kendall Langford, Miami Dolphins, unrestricted
    •DE Mario Williams, Houston Texans, unrestricted
    •DE Cliff Avril, Detroit Lions, unrestricted
    •DE Jeremy Mincey, Jacksonville Jaguars, unrestricted

    WHY ADDING THROUGH DRAFT MIGHT BE BEST

    MEL KIPER'S TOP 5 DT PROSPECTS

    1. Devon Still Penn State 6-5, 310
    2. Fletcher Cox Mississippi St. 6-4, 295
    3. Michael Brockers LSU 6-6, 306
    4. Dontari Poe Memphis 6-4, 345
    5. Jerel Worthy Michigan State 6-3, 305
    MEL KIPER'S TOP 5 DE PROSPECTS

    1. Quinton Coples N. Carolina 6-6, 275
    2. Melvin Ingram S. Carolina 6-2, 276
    3. Andre Branch Clemson 6-5, 265
    4. Whitney Mercilus Illinois 6-4, 265
    5. Nick Perry Southern Cal 6-3, 250
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    Unless the team seeks an upgrade at the under-tackle spot currently manned by Melton, it’s unlikely the Bears make any moves at this position during free agency outside of potential backups. But if the team wants to upgrade opposite Peppers, it would have plenty of gifted options, not to mention more than enough cap room to pull off a high-profile acquisition. (Once again there are those who would disagree but if we do make a headline grabbing FA move this is where I'd do it and stay away from the WR with the highest price tags. Target the guys like Wayne or Meachem and Royal instead. Any of those guys will improve our situation. Monster pass rushers don't come along in FA very often so you have to strike when the opportunity presents itself like we did with Peppers. Mario Williams would be nice if he's recovered or Avril since the word is the Lions won't use the franchise tag on anyone. One thing nice about Avril or Mathis is the both play LDE so they become the pass rush guy who replaces Izzy and if we can either draft another DE or if Wootton finally steps up on the right side we'd be in much better shape. Haven't seen Branch's name mentioned before and Coples is probably out of reach. Plus Upshaw, Ingram and Perry are now listed as 3-4 type OLB guys. Should be interesting to see what we do here.)

    Perhaps a significant deterrent to making a move in free agency is the fact the club already has $20.15 million committed in 2012 base salaries to just three players on defense (Peppers, Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs). That number would likely swell to approximately $26 million or more if the team picked up a high-profile pass rusher to play opposite Peppers. (Gotta spend money to make money if it's Super Bowl money you want)

    So Williams might be too expensive, and Avril is believed to be a top priority in Detroit. That might make Mincey an intriguing option. Mincey, 28, is coming off a breakout season in which he posted eight sacks, 57 tackles and four forced fumbles playing in a 4-3 system similar to Chicago’s. But the Bears might be apprehensive about how Mincey arrived at those sacks because five came in two games against a struggling Indianapolis Colts offensive line, and he notched three more over 14 other outings. (Not too impressive as an upgrade over what we have)

    That could potentially push down Mincey’s asking price to a number closer to what the Bears were paying Idonije.

    But with new general manager Phil Emery running the show, the team might feel the safer play is to bring back Idonije or try to boost the pass rush through the draft.(I think bringing back Izzy should be a given but if we want to save $$$ yet still get a top DE we'll probably have to think about trading up for Coples. So it becomes a choice. Which do you want less, a higher cap cost for a vet or giving up your 2nd round pick)
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    To me DE and WR will produce the most intrigue in FA. There are quite a few quality vets out there but do we go top end or value oriented, or do we split the difference?

    Both are probably our biggest needs for 2012 outside of what to do about LT which Lovie and Tice say they've already decided. By looking at the FA selection we sure as hell won't get any help there so it's either the draft of wait to see if there are vets with some value who get cut later.

    If we can nail at least one WR and one DE that would be considered upgrades in FA it sure gives us more room to maneuver on draft weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    Soul what's even more baffeling then their faith in Webb is their faith in Omy...at least Webb is fairly young and still learning. Omy's been bad for years and just needs to get.
    I know. When I read that it was WFT???? How can anyone who isn't blind, deaf and dumb think OMG has any chance of ever becoming an NFL caliber lineman. They want to use him as a backup when he's failed at every position they've ever played him at. Maybe they should try him at FB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GermansbombedPH View Post
    posted this between 10-11 AM

    right now, it's between 3-4 PM
    Time difference Central Europe <-> Chicago = 7 hours
    OK so original posted mid to late morning and response mid to late afternoon. Denver is Chicago minus one hour so it's about 3 AM here when you're having your second or third cup of coffee. I got it.
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