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    Bears Playing Tme Figures Add up to Trouble.............Playing time figure

    Playing time figures add up to trouble

    Bears have too many players on field too much or too little

    Falcons QB Matt Ryan is sandwiched by Israel Idonije and Julius Peppers in the 2nd quarter. (José M. Osorio, Chicago Tribune / September 11, 2011)




    By Brad Biggs, Chicago Tribune reporter 3:48 p.m. CST, February 11, 2012



    In the 28 regular-season games since the Bears released Mark Anderson, the third defensive end on the roster has produced two sacks. (This should be important to those who don't believe another pass rushing DE is a huge need )

    Corey Wootton ended Brett Favre's career prematurely in 2010 with a crushing sack at TCF Bank Stadium on the campus of the University of Minnesota and journeyman Chauncey Davis, signed Nov. 14, got Tim Tebow for one Dec. 11 in Denver.

    Davis played more than any of the other third ends last season with 104 snaps.
    Mario Addison and Nick Reed, who began 2011 on the roster, were both gone before Week 12. Production was minimal, at best, and it added up to another heavy workload for starters Israel Idonije and Julius Peppers. (This is what I've been trying to point out. These two are getting worn out by seasons end so what will they be like if they have to play 3 or 4 more games? The Giants have four great pass rushers so that doesn't happen. We have one and a half. Help is needed. We're far from being set at this position and spending a #1 pick here is every bit as important or more than spending it on a WR or OT. Defense still wins championships)

    Idonije led Bears defensive linemen in playing 84.6 percent of the time and Peppers was just behind him at 82.1 percent. According to NFL-generated playing time statistics the Tribune acquired, only two other teams in the league had a pair of starting ends play more than 82 percent of the time — the Vikings' Jared Allen (94.3) and Brian Robison (84.4) and the 49ers' Justin Smith (91.1) and Ray McDonald (83.5). Allen led the NFL with 22 sacks and Smith had 71/2 in what might have been the best of his 11 seasons as a two-way end.

    The playing time statistics only highlight the Bears' continuing need to find help at defensive end even if Idonije, 31, is re-signed as an unrestricted free agent.
    In 2010, Peppers led Bears linemen at 87.9 percent and Idonije was at 80.2 percent. Peppers' career-high was 94 percent for the Panthers in 2008.

    But he turned 32 last month and if the Giants reinforced anything in winning Super Bowl XLVI it's that you can't have too many linemen with the ability to get after the quarterback.
    Right now, the Bears have Peppers and Henry Melton, a developing under tackle. Idonije never has been viewed as a pass rusher. (I rest my case)

    Statistics show that weak-side linebacker Lance Briggs was accurate in calling himself and middle linebacker Brian Urlacher "vintage" when each was named to the Pro Bowl. Briggs was on the field for all 1,081 defensive snaps and Urlacher missed only 14.

    The question isn't so much about age. It's rather: How long can they continue to perform at an elite level?
    (Somtimes I think we run the risk of wearing guys out before age catches up with them. So far these two are elite but like Biggs says, for how much longer?)

    Cornerback Charles Tillman, who turns 31 this month, reached the Pro Bowl for the first time in his career. He missed 11 defensive snaps over the course of the season and was on the field for 152 special teams plays, the 12th-highest total on the roster. (Lotta plays or a guy who has to maintain both speed and stamina)

    No one is suggesting these players are at the end of their careers, but all are on the back side and concern is natural. When one starts to slip will the others follow quickly?

    "I've heard rumblings there is age on our roster," new general manager Phil Emery said at his introductory news conference. "(But) it's not a numerical number. It's whether you are making plays. If it was just a numerical number and number of gray hairs, I wouldn't be standing here."

    Turnover in the secondary, where the Bears used eight starting safety combinations, was apparent. Rookie Chris Conte led playing time at safety at 54.9 percent followed by Major Wright at 53.8. Brandon Meriweather earned $3.25 million to play 37.6 percent of the time and veteran Craig Steltz was at 37. Coach Lovie Smith has struggled finding safeties who can remain on the field and that storyline continues into 2012. (Lovie is addicted to picking up Safeties. Even bad ones as Archuleta and Meriweather have proven. Someone needs to take those picks away from him. He misses too often)

    The turnover behind running back Matt Forte didn't do anything to ease his workload. Marion Barber replaced Chester Taylor but Forte was near 75 percent of offensive plays when he suffered his season-ending knee injury and missed the final four games. He played 70.2 percent of the snaps in 2010. It's clear Forte isn't going anywhere, but will restricted free agent Kahlil Bell return as his primary backup? (I've made the point before that Forte is a high mileage back and that will play a part in his negotiations and Bell has earned the right to come to camp as his #2 man IMHO)

    The biggest indictment offensively when reviewing playing time statistics is pretty clear — Roy Williams led wide receivers in snaps with 600.
    That was 79 more than Johnny Knox, who missed the final two games on injured reserve. Undrafted rookie Dane Sanzenbacher managed 379 snaps and Sam Hurd had 201 before his Dec. 16 release. (This is about as indicative of Martz's stupidity as anything when your worst WR gets 79 more snaps than the guy who leads the team in yardage and is 2nd in the NFL in ypc. Damn I'm glad he's gone and RWill should follow just as soon as we pickup a decent WR in FA)

    Surely, Emery didn't have to make it through tape of all 16 games to see the Bears must address the situation at wide receiver and seek a defensive end who can stick around more than a couple of months. (There you go. Getting one each in FA and the draft is a virtual must. Biggs is the second Bear columnist that rates the need for a DE at least equal or greater than a WR)

    All he needs to do is look at the numbers.
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    This is a concern to me especially when it comes to Izzy and Pep. Izzy is not a fair pass rusher and gets pressure but not many sacks. Chauncey Davis plays the run well but is a poor pass rusher. Nick Reed and Mario Addison showed some promise in the preseason but bombed in the regular season.


    Next up in the offseason strategies list are the DLineman and that should give us an idea of who the players are at DE. If we got one first tier player in FA I would get Mario Williams. There's a match for Pep. Since Williams also plays RDE it gives us a chance to move Pep around to RT or DT to get some mismatches and to give him more plays off to keep him fresher as the season wears on.

    Cliff Avril is another consideration but I'd say his odds of leaving Detroit aren't good and if we're talking similar $$$ I'd take Williams over him any day. Robert Mathis is a lower cost alternative as a 3rd down rusher to replace Izzy at LDE. In the draft we could move up for Coples if he gets near enough but it's not likely he will. Ingram is not as dominant but still a very good rusher. He reminds me of Osi Umenyiora. So there are some options.

    Picking up two CB's, one FA and one rookie would make some sense. There are a number of small school guys like Peanut who have looked good in the post season all star games. And a number of OLB prospects that can be had in the mid rounds with some promise.

    The offense needs some serious attention at WR and LT but we can't overlook the needs on the defensive side of the ball either. A strong defense has always been a trademark of the Bears and we can't let up now.
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    Wooton needs to step up or gtf outta here.

    Here's a thought. Trade our #1 for two 2nd rounders ? Then we could go :

    LT
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    What should you call any : Fumble , Hold , Interception , Three and out , or Sack ?

    A " F.H.I.T.S " ? or a J'Marcus ?

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    Who were Bears' real workhorses?

    Playing time stats shows special teams could be in for major upheaval again

    Corey Graham makes an interception in the end zone against the Lions. (Brian Cassella / Tribune Photo)






    By Brad Biggs, Chicago Tribune reporter 8:28 p.m. CST, February 11, 2012

    Dave Toub was forced to wonder how it would shake out at this time a year ago when the Bears' top six tacklers on special teams all were headed to unrestricted free agency.

    He's in a similar position again as five of the top eight core players, based on playing time, will be unrestricted or are already gone.

    According to NFL-generated playing time statistics the Tribune acquired, Pro Bowl special teams performer Corey Graham was on the field for 412 special teams snaps, 85.1 percent of the time. That means Graham missed only three special teams plays all season, excluding Robbie Gould's 69 extra point and field goal attempts as Graham is not on the field for those.

    Graham will be an unrestricted free agent as will cornerback Zack Bowman (325 snaps) and safety Craig Steltz (310). Linebacker Brian Iwuh (252) was waived after suffering a hamstring injury in November and wide receiver Sam Hurd (209) has been gone since his arrest on drug charges.

    In reviewing complete playing-time statistics, here are some interesting tidbits:

    • Defensive tackle Anthony Adams, re-signed to a two-year contract last summer, had his playing time drop sharply from 2010. Adams was on the field for 280 snaps — 302 fewer than he had in 2010 when he played 56.1 percent of the time.

    Roy Williams led all wide receivers with 600 snaps, though he fell short of a predicted 70 to 80 catches. He tied Johnny Knox for the team-lead with 37 receptions.

    • Tight end Kellen Davis had his playing time more than quadruple. He was on the field for 727 snaps — 72.2 percent of the time. Conversely, his time on special teams dropped. He went from 309 snaps in 2010 to 57.

    • Defensive end Israel Idonije has played a lot on special teams despite being a starter. He had 140 special teams snaps.

    • When Danieal Manning and Chris Harris started all 16 games at safety in 2010 they combined for 1,750 snaps. The leader in snaps at the safety in 2011 was rookie Chris Conte with 593.

    • Defensive tackle Matt Toeaina also saw his playing time dip with the arrival of Amobi Okoye and Stephen Paea. He had 390 snaps, 213 less than in 2010.

    • The offensive players who played the most in the NFL were Saints offensive linemen Jermon Bushrod and Carl Nicks. They each had 1,152 snaps. Defensively, Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson, who played the entire season with a torn biceps tendon, had an NFL-high 1,134 snaps.

    Bears' statistics

    Offense (out of 1,007 total)

    C Roberto Garza 1,007

    LTJ'Marcus Webb1,007

    RG Chris Spencer 901

    RT/RG Lance Louis 788

    TE Kellen Davis 727

    QB Jay Cutler 615

    WR Roy Williams 600

    RB Matt Forte 564

    LG Chris Williams 538

    WR Johnny Knox 521

    LG Edwin Williams 490

    WR Devin Hester 460

    WR Earl Bennett 442

    WR Dane Sanzenbacher 379

    TE Matt Spaeth 362

    FB Tyler Clutts 309

    QB Caleb Hanie 255

    RB Kahlil Bell 233

    RT Frank Omiyale 220

    WR Sam Hurd 201

    RB Marion Barber 188

    QB Josh McCown 137

    RT Gabe Carimi 98

    RB Armando Allen 22

    TE Kyle Adams 12

    WR Max Komar 1

    Defense (out of 1,081 total)

    LB Lance Briggs 1,081

    CB Charles Tillman 1,070

    LB Brian Urlacher 1,067

    CB Tim Jennings 995

    DE Israel Idonije 915

    DE Julius Peppers 887

    DT Henry Melton 621

    FS Chris Conte 593

    DT Amobi Okoye 593

    S Major Wright 581

    LB Nick Roach 520

    CBD.J. Moore485

    S Brandon Meriweather 406

    SS Craig Steltz 400

    DT Matt Toeaina 390

    DT Stephen Paea 309

    DT Anthony Adams 280

    CB Zack Bowman 106

    DE Chauncey Davis 104

    CB Corey Graham 87

    DE Corey Wootton 65

    LB Dom DeCicco 2

    LB Patrick Trahan 2

    Special teams (out of 484 total)

    Corey Graham 412

    Dom DeCicco 347

    Zack Bowman 325

    Craig Steltz 310

    Nick Roach 259

    Brian Iwuh 252

    Winston Venable 222

    Sam Hurd 209

    Tyler Clutts 195

    Chris Conte 167

    Adam Podlesh 161

    Charles Tillman 152

    Robbie Gould 150

    Devin Hester 146

    Israel Idonije 140

    Matt Spaeth 133

    Patrick Trahan 110

    Jabara Williams 109

    Kyle Adams 101

    Pat Mannelly 101

    Tim Jennings 87

    Anthony Walters 84

    Corey Wootton 76

    Brian Urlacher 70

    Roberto Garza 69

    Frank Omiyale 69

    Julius Peppers 69

    J'Marcus Webb 69

    Kahlil Bell 66

    Edwin Williams 63

    D.J. Moore 62

    Kellen Davis 57

    Matt Toeaina 57

    Chris Massey 55

    Anthony Adams 44

    Chris Williams 44

    Henry Melton 39

    Dane Sanzenbacher 38

    Johnny Knox 36

    Earl Bennett 35

    Lance Louis 26

    Thaddeus Gibson 19

    Max Komar 13

    Brandon Meriweather 10

    Major Wright 7

    Armando Allen 4

    Gabe Carimi 4

    Ricky Henry 1

    Amobi Okoye 1

    Stephen Paea 1

    Roy Williams 1
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    Who were Bears' real workhorses?

    Playing time stats shows special teams could be in for major upheaval again

    Corey Graham makes an interception in the end zone against the Lions. (Brian Cassella / Tribune Photo)






    By Brad Biggs, Chicago Tribune reporter 8:28 p.m. CST, February 11, 2012

    Dave Toub was forced to wonder how it would shake out at this time a year ago when the Bears' top six tacklers on special teams all were headed to unrestricted free agency.

    He's in a similar position again as five of the top eight core players, based on playing time, will be unrestricted or are already gone.

    According to NFL-generated playing time statistics the Tribune acquired, Pro Bowl special teams performer Corey Graham was on the field for 412 special teams snaps, 85.1 percent of the time. That means Graham missed only three special teams plays all season, excluding Robbie Gould's 69 extra point and field goal attempts as Graham is not on the field for those.

    Graham will be an unrestricted free agent as will cornerback Zack Bowman (325 snaps) and safety Craig Steltz (310). Linebacker Brian Iwuh (252) was waived after suffering a hamstring injury in November and wide receiver Sam Hurd (209) has been gone since his arrest on drug charges.

    In reviewing complete playing-time statistics, here are some interesting tidbits:

    • Defensive tackle Anthony Adams, re-signed to a two-year contract last summer, had his playing time drop sharply from 2010. Adams was on the field for 280 snaps — 302 fewer than he had in 2010 when he played 56.1 percent of the time.

    Roy Williams led all wide receivers with 600 snaps, though he fell short of a predicted 70 to 80 catches. He tied Johnny Knox for the team-lead with 37 receptions.

    • Tight end Kellen Davis had his playing time more than quadruple. He was on the field for 727 snaps — 72.2 percent of the time. Conversely, his time on special teams dropped. He went from 309 snaps in 2010 to 57.

    • Defensive end Israel Idonije has played a lot on special teams despite being a starter. He had 140 special teams snaps.

    • When Danieal Manning and Chris Harris started all 16 games at safety in 2010 they combined for 1,750 snaps. The leader in snaps at the safety in 2011 was rookie Chris Conte with 593.

    • Defensive tackle Matt Toeaina also saw his playing time dip with the arrival of Amobi Okoye and Stephen Paea. He had 390 snaps, 213 less than in 2010.

    • The offensive players who played the most in the NFL were Saints offensive linemen Jermon Bushrod and Carl Nicks. They each had 1,152 snaps. Defensively, Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson, who played the entire season with a torn biceps tendon, had an NFL-high 1,134 snaps.

    Bears' statistics

    Offense (out of 1,007 total)

    C Roberto Garza 1,007

    LTJ'Marcus Webb1,007

    RG Chris Spencer 901

    RT/RG Lance Louis 788

    TE Kellen Davis 727

    QB Jay Cutler 615

    WR Roy Williams 600

    RB Matt Forte 564

    LG Chris Williams 538

    WR Johnny Knox 521

    LG Edwin Williams 490

    WR Devin Hester 460

    WR Earl Bennett 442

    WR Dane Sanzenbacher 379

    TE Matt Spaeth 362

    FB Tyler Clutts 309

    QB Caleb Hanie 255

    RB Kahlil Bell 233

    RT Frank Omiyale 220

    WR Sam Hurd 201

    RB Marion Barber 188

    QB Josh McCown 137

    RT Gabe Carimi 98

    RB Armando Allen 22

    TE Kyle Adams 12

    WR Max Komar 1

    Defense (out of 1,081 total)

    LB Lance Briggs 1,081

    CB Charles Tillman 1,070

    LB Brian Urlacher 1,067

    CB Tim Jennings 995

    DE Israel Idonije 915

    DE Julius Peppers 887

    DT Henry Melton 621

    FS Chris Conte 593

    DT Amobi Okoye 593

    S Major Wright 581

    LB Nick Roach 520

    CBD.J. Moore485

    S Brandon Meriweather 406

    SS Craig Steltz 400

    DT Matt Toeaina 390

    DT Stephen Paea 309

    DT Anthony Adams 280

    CB Zack Bowman 106

    DE Chauncey Davis 104

    CB Corey Graham 87

    DE Corey Wootton 65

    LB Dom DeCicco 2

    LB Patrick Trahan 2

    Special teams (out of 484 total)

    Corey Graham 412

    Dom DeCicco 347

    Zack Bowman 325

    Craig Steltz 310

    Nick Roach 259

    Brian Iwuh 252

    Winston Venable 222

    Sam Hurd 209

    Tyler Clutts 195

    Chris Conte 167

    Adam Podlesh 161

    Charles Tillman 152

    Robbie Gould 150

    Devin Hester 146

    Israel Idonije 140

    Matt Spaeth 133

    Patrick Trahan 110

    Jabara Williams 109

    Kyle Adams 101

    Pat Mannelly 101

    Tim Jennings 87

    Anthony Walters 84

    Corey Wootton 76

    Brian Urlacher 70

    Roberto Garza 69

    Frank Omiyale 69

    Julius Peppers 69

    J'Marcus Webb 69

    Kahlil Bell 66

    Edwin Williams 63

    D.J. Moore 62

    Kellen Davis 57

    Matt Toeaina 57

    Chris Massey 55

    Anthony Adams 44

    Chris Williams 44

    Henry Melton 39

    Dane Sanzenbacher 38

    Johnny Knox 36

    Earl Bennett 35

    Lance Louis 26

    Thaddeus Gibson 19

    Max Komar 13

    Brandon Meriweather 10

    Major Wright 7

    Armando Allen 4

    Gabe Carimi 4

    Ricky Henry 1

    Amobi Okoye 1

    Stephen Paea 1

    Roy Williams 1
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    Then fine, trade up our first round pick and one of our thirds for a pick in the top ten and draft Quentin Coples. Problem solved. Everyone can then shut up and go home happy knowing that we didn't do a thing to solve the problem on the offensive line or anything else other than the one area of this team that is consistently good year in and year out - defense.

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