This is preliminary and based on pre-Combine/pre-FA info. I am also leaving out players like Blackmon, Kalil, and Claiborne who are likely top-5 picks. Here's my approx order of priority:Originally Posted by WindyCity
1. Couples
2. Reiff
3. Adams
4. Ingram
5. Kirkpatrick
6. DeCastro
7. Glenn
8. Floyd
9. Zach Brown
10. Barron
Obviously I'm putting higher priority on DE/OT > OG/WR.
Last edited by MPBears68; 02-15-2012 at 06:17 PM.
First and foremost, he's been hurt by having JJ as his QB, yet he still became an incredible downfield threat. Solid hands and ball tracking deep, will win damn near every jump ball he goes up for because of great body control and ups. He's just got one of those massive catch radii and big hands. I've seen a lot of people question his quickness in-and-out of breaks, but the kid runs just fine. He's got those powerful gazelle strides people talk about in big downfield receivers a lot. He's going to run better than a lot of people have him marked down at the Combine. Very tough kid who runs the hard routes up the middle. He was a top recruit coming out of HS and remember people hyping the shit out of him on signing day as a Randy Moss type threat, so there's a lot of established talent to go along with his upside to like there.
I always like guys, especially juniors, who start getting pub right now because it usually means the experts have gotten to the junior tape.
I hope Randle continues to climb draftboards and gives the Bears another option at WR, because I have fallen off of the Alshon Jeffery bandwagon.
Well FWIW here is the new Wes Bunting's new NFP Mock v3.0. Windy I thought this might be helpful to you and others in constructing your first round. Been a little shifting around from the last one so I'll highlight what I can see.
1) The Rams now take Kalil at #2 leaving Blackmon for the Vikes at #3
2) For now Coples is firmly entrenched in the top ten (#7) and at that spot he's not even a hope and a dream
3) Mike Adams continues to climb in the rankings (#11) almost making the top ten and is now the number two ranked OT in this mock.
3) So as far as Olineman are concerned Reiff is all but out of reach and Martin isn't worth the #19 pick so that leave the two OG's, DeCastro and Glenn as the only top graded lineman on the board.
5) He has the Bear now taking Floyd at #19 as opposed to Adams since he had to find someone to put there and the LT and DE's are all but gone. I still believe drafting Floyd is a huge mistake and one reason is what I highighted in red. If a 6'3" 220 lb WR who only runs in the mid 4.5 range can't beat press coverage he's gonna be fairly limited as to what he can do in the NFL. He may eventually acquire the skill but if that's the case he won't do us much good in2012 will he. Hey Phil pssssst, sign a FA and pass on Floyd like you would a tractor hauling a "honey wagon" on a country road.
6) Peter Konz and Jonathan Martin have both fallen back from the mid teens into the low 20's.
7) Kendall Wright has dropped back into the mid 20's but Stephen Hill makes his appearance for the first time.
8) Melvin Ingram now seen more as a 3-4 rushbacker drops all the way back to #28.
9) Sanu creeps into the 1st but Barron continues to slide back to #31. Personally if I were Emery looking at this board I'd trade outta that first for another 2nd and take either Sanu or Barron before I'd draft Floyd at #19.
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Our newest mock draft of the season…
1. Indianapolis Colts: Stanford QB Andrew Luck
Despite the chatter about Baylor QB Robert Griffin III, I have a hard time believing this pick can be anyone other than Luck.
ICONKalil isn't going to last long on draft day.
2. St. Louis Rams: Southern Cal OT Matt Kalil
The Rams might be best suited to simply improve the offensive line with the top tackle available and stick at pick two. Kalil has the ability to develop into a franchise left tackle and become the blindside protector of the future.
3. Minnesota Vikings: Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon
QB Christian Ponder showed some flashes this year, but getting the signal caller a big time talent at receiver is a must. Blackmon isn’t an elite prospect, but should be a productive option from day one because of his ability to run after the catch.
4. Cleveland Browns: Baylor QB Robert Griffin III
The Browns need to upgrade the quarterback position and RG3 has the kind of talent, confidence and overall work ethic to make good on his elite upside.
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Alabama RB Trent Richardson
If you want a prospect who can take pressure off a young quarterback in the run game Richardson is your guy. He’s strong, explosive, physical, and might be the safest prospect in the draft.
6. Washington Redskins: LSU CB Morris Claiborne
Is corner the biggest need for the Redskins? No. However, Claiborne is the best prospect still on the board at any of the priority positions and you can never have too many corners.
7. Jacksonville Jaguars: North Carolina DL Quinton Coples
Looking over the depth chart, the Jaguars need to find a consistent threat off the edge. Coples has the talent to be as good as he wants at the next level and gives Jacksonville the kind of talented defensive lineman they desperately need.
8. Carolina Panthers: Penn State DT Devon Still
The Panthers need a big body inside who can anchor on contact, push the pocket and find the football. Still isn’t a dynamic pass rusher and there are some other linemen on the board with a little more talent. But he has the size to fend off blocks inside and in my mind is one of the safer defensive tackle prospects in this year’s draft.
ICONTannehill looks like a first-round QB.
9. Miami Dolphins: Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill
The Dolphins have received pretty average quarterback play over the past couple seasons and adding a talent like Tannehill who has the skill set to mature into a franchise QB could be too good to pass up at nine.
10. Buffalo Bills: LSU DT Michael Brockers
Brockers is a talented defensive lineman capable of maturing into a real game changer up front. He’s got the ability to play all over the Bills D-line early and offers them a lot of 3-4 and 4-3 versatility.
11. Kansas City Chiefs: Ohio State OT Mike Adams
You have to think after the struggles the Chiefs had at right tackle last season, drafting a guy like Adams who has the size and athleticism to handle powerful NFL pass rushers is a must for them this off-season.
12. Seattle Seahawks: Southern Cal DE/OLB Nick Perry
Finding a guy who can create pressure off the edge opposite Chris Clemons is a must. Perry has an explosive first step, is learning to use his hands and could end up being one of the better sack artists to come out of this year’s class.
13. Arizona Cardinals: Iowa OT Riley Reiff
The Cardinals have a lack of talent up front and adding a lineman like Reiff who can play a number of spots along the offensive line and win in both the run and pass game is a solid choice at 13.
14. Dallas Cowboys: Alabama CB Dre Kirkpatrick
The Cowboys have to be thrilled with both Kirkpatrick and Stanford OG David DeCastro still on the board. However, I see them opting for the big corner because of the overall priority of the position.
15. Philadelphia Eagles: Boston College ILB Luke Kuechly
A tackling machine with good size, natural instincts and knowledge to fend off blocks and find the football. Is the kind of talent the Eagles need inside to improve their struggling linebacking corps.
ICONDeCastro is quick to get out to the second level.
16. New York Jets: Stanford OG David DeCastro
DeCastro has the ability to become one of the NFL’s best interior linemen and will instantly improve the Jets offense in both the run and pass game.
17. Cincinnati Bengals: North Alabama CB Janoris Jenkins
Jenkins is a bit undersized and he does have some character concerns. However, he’s a fluid kid with a “plus” initial burst and when motivated he’s about as tough as any corner in the draft to separate from.
18. San Diego Chargers: Alabama OLB Courtney Upshaw
Upshaw is a thick, powerful kid who can line up all over the Chargers 34 front and get after the passer. He’s got the power to win consistently on contact vs. both the run and pass game.
19. Chicago Bears: Notre Dame WR Michael Floyd
Floyd has the ability to run the entire route tree, create after the catch and win down the field. There are some questions about him vs. press coverage, but he’s the kind of talent the Bears need on offense.
20. Tennessee Titans: Memphis DT Dontari Poe
If there is one guy who’s going to get a ton of buzz following the NFL Combine it’s Poe. There aren’t too many guys at his size that can do what he does athletically and he’s only starting to scratch the surface of his potential.
21. Cincinnati Bengals: Georgia OL Cordy Glenn
Glenn is a powerful body who can maul defenders in the run game and more than hold his own inside vs. the pass.
22. Cleveland Browns: Baylor WR Kendall Wright
Wright might be the draft’s top vertical threat and has the ability to open up a lot of options for the Browns offense down the field.
23. Detroit Lions: Stanford OT Jonathan Martin
Getting a potential franchise left tackle at 23 has to be a thrill for the Lions. Martin is an athletic pass blocker who needs to get stronger, but has the talent to hold his own in space vs. the pass game.
24. Pittsburgh Steelers: Wisconsin OL Peter Konz
Konz has the ability to play both center and guard at the next level and gives the Steelers a real upgrade inside.
ICONTa’amu has the kind of size to anchor up front.
25. Denver Broncos: Washington DT Alameda Ta’amu
Adding some beef up front to the defensive line is a major need for the Broncos. Ta’amu isn’t going to create much of a pass rush, but he has the ability to win on run downs and get the Broncos defense into obvious pass rushing situations.
26. Houston Texans: Georgia Tech WR Stephen Hill
Hill is going to need to become a more consistent route runner. However, at 6-5 he showcases some natural short-area quickness to his game and knows how to go up and get the football. Could be one of the “hot” names following the 2012 NFL Combine.
27. New England Patriots: Mississippi State DT Fletcher Cox
He’s a tall, long-armed defensive lineman with an explosive first step, can penetrate and possesses some scheme versatility. Seems like an ideal late first-round Patriots type pick.
28. Green Bay Packers: South Carolina OLB/DE Melvin Ingram Finding another pass rusher off the edge is becoming more of pressing need for the Packers and Ingram has the ability to reach the QB in a number of ways both from a two- and three-point stance.
29. Baltimore Ravens: Alabama ILB Dont’a Hightower
Hightower is a “plus” run defender who can be used as a blitzer inside or a pass rusher off the edge. His versatility on third down gives the Ravens even more options in pressure situations.
ICONSanu could go late in round one.
30. San Francisco 49ers: Rutgers WR Mohamed Sanu
The 49ers have a glairing need at the wide receiver position and could be looking to upgrade. Sanu is a monster with good quickness for his size and a real physical dimension to his game. He offers the ability to run after the catch and can contribute inside from day one.
31. New England Patriots: Alabama SS Mark Barron
New England has had to piece together their secondary this year, but in terms of talent they could certainly use an upgrade at a number of spots. Barron is a smart, instinctive safety with good ball skills, can play in the box and be effective bumping/running with tight ends underneath.
32. New York Giants: Stanford TE Coby Fleener
As if this offense needs another weapon on it. However, Fleener has the ability to be that every down type “on the line Y” who can create down the field and at 6-6, 245-pounds has the size to mature into a very capable blocker.
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Though it would be useful to post the rankings and compare then to Wes Bunting's Mock v3.0. I have a lot of respect for Maycock but I like the approach NFP takes with it's rankings. They do it based on how productive they feel a player may be in the NFL so that's why Adams comes out ahead in his mock. Interestingly enough Mayock has Cordy Glenn as an OT. The one huge difference of opinion between the two sources is over Ingram. Maycock see him as the top DE and NFP sees him as a 3-4 OLB and has him falling to #28 in the draft.
Pre-combine position rankings for 2012 NFL Draft
- By Mike Mayock NFL Network
- Published: Feb. 14, 2012 at 09:30 p.m.
- Updated: Feb. 15, 2012 at 03:23 p.m.
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With the NFL Scouting Combine beginning on February 22, Mike Mayock updates his position-by-position rankings for the 2012 NFL Draft. Changes from last month's initial rankings are noted below each position.
Quarterback
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1. Andrew Luck, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, Baylor
3. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
4. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
5. Nick Foles, Arizona
New entries: Weeden, Foles
Running Back
1. Trent Richardson, Alabama
2. David Wilson, Virginia Tech
3. Lamar Miller, Miami (Fla.)
4. Doug Martin, Boise State
5. LaMichael James, Oregon
Wide Receiver
1. Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
2. Kendall Wright, Baylor
3. Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
4. Rueben Randle, LSU
5. Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina
Rise: Wright
Fall: Floyd, Jeffery
New entry: Randle
Out: Wake Forest's Chris Givens
Tight End
1. Orson Charles, Georgia
2. Coby Fleener, Stanford
3. Dwayne Allen, Clemson
4. Deangelo Peterson, LSU
5. Ladarius Green, Louisiana-Lafayette
Rise: Charles
Fall: Allen, Green
New entry: Peterson
Out: Missouri's Michael Egnew
Tackle
1. Matt Kalil, USC
2. Riley Reiff, Iowa
3. Jonathan Martin, Stanford
4. Mike Adams, Ohio State
5. Cordy Glenn, Georgia
Rise: Kalil
Fall: Reiff
New entry: Glenn (switched groups from interior offensive lineman to tackle)
Out: Troy's James Brown, Florida State's Zebrie Sanders
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Interior Offensive Lineman
1. David DeCastro, Stanford
2. Peter Konz, Wisconsin
3. Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
4. Amini Silatolu, Midwestern State
5. Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State
Fall: Osemele
New entry: Silatolu
Out: Glenn (switched groups from interior offensive lineman to tackle)
Defensive End
1. Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
2. Quinton Coples, North Carolina
3. Andre Branch, Clemson
4. Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
T-5. Vinny Curry, Marshall
T-5. Nick Perry, USC
Rise: Ingram, Branch
Fall: Coples, Mercilus, Perry
New entry: Curry
Out: Syracuse's Chandler Jones
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Defensive Tackle
1. Michael Brockers, LSU
2. Jerel Worthy, Michigan State
3. Dontari Poe, Memphis
4. Devon Still, Penn State
T-5. Fletcher Cox, Mississippi St.
T-5. Kendall Reyes, UConn
T-5. Brandon Thompson, Clemson
Rise: Brockers, Poe
Fall: Still, Thompson
New entry: Reyes
Linebacker
1. Courtney Upshaw, Alabama
2. Luke Kuechly, Boston College
3. Dont'a Hightower, Alabama
4. Ronnell Lewis, Oklahoma
5. Sean Spence, Miami (Fla.)
New entries: Lewis, Spence
Out: North Carolina's Zach Brown, Arizona State's Vontaze Burfict
Cornerback
1. Morris Claiborne, LSU
2. Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
3. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
4. Trumaine Johnson, Montana
5. Leonard Johnson, Iowa State
Rise: Kirkpatrick
Fall: Jenkins, Leonard Johnson
New entry: Trumaine Johnson
Out: Nebraska's Alfonzo Dennard
Safety
1. Mark Barron, Alabama
2. Harrison Smith, Notre Dame
3. George Iloka, Boise State
4. Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State
5. Phillip Thomas, Syracuse
New entry: Phillip Thomas
Out: South Carolina's Antonio Allen
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Just today Rueben Randle made an appearance in Mike Mayocks Top 5 and in the 1st round of Mel Kiper's Mock Draft.
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I do not know a lot about him and he seems to be climbing quickly into the 1st round conversation for WRs.
Randle looks like an interesting player for the Bears.
-6'4" 210lbs., so he has the size.
-Deep speed something that the Bears love and Tice has used in his offense.
Randle compares to Randy Moss in his style of play so it will be interesting how he grades out.
Just today Rueben Randle made an appearance in Mike Mayocks Top 5 and in the 1st round of Mel Kiper's Mock Draft.
NFL.com news: Pre-combine position rankings for 2012 NFL Draft
NFL Draft 2012 - ESPN
I do not know a lot about him and he seems to be climbing quickly into the 1st round conversation for WRs.
Randle looks like an interesting player for the Bears.
-6'4" 210lbs., so he has the size.
-Deep speed something that the Bears love and Tice has used in his offense.
Randle compares to Randy Moss in his style of play so it will be interesting how he grades out.
Rumors are swirling that he will run sub 4.4 [40], which may cause him to get into the 1st round permently.
This could be an Emery guy, similar to Baldwin, exceptional size, athletic ability, speed, but limited polish.
I am involved in an e-mail GM Mock Draft at work and we have come to the Bears pick.
We sign WR Robert Meachem and CB Aaron Ross in the free agency period.
1[1] Indianapolis Colts? QB Andrew Luck [Stanford]
1[2] Cleveland Browns [STL]: QB Robert Griffin III [Baylor]
1[3] Minnesota Vikings: OT Matt Kalil [USC]
1[4] St. Louis Rams [Cle]: WR Justin Blackmon [Oklahoma St]
1[5] Tampa Bay Buccaneers: CB Morris Claiborne [LSU]
1[6] Arizona Cardinals [Was]: OT Riley Rieff [Iowa]
1[7] Jacksonville Jaguars: WR Kendall Wright [Baylor]
1[8] Carolina Panthers: DT Michael Brockers [LSU]
1[9] Miami Dolphins: DE Quentin Coples [UNC]
1[10] Buffalo Bills: DE Melvin Ingram [South Carolina]
1[11] Kansas City Chiefs: OG David DeCastro [Stanford]
1[12] Cincinnati Bengals [Sea]: RB Trent Richardson [Alabama]
1[13] Washington Redskins [Ari]: WR Michael Floyd [Notre Dame]
1[14] Dallas Cowboys: CB Dre Kirkpatrick [Alabama]
1[15] Philadelphia Eagles: LB Luke Keluchey [Boston College]
1[16] OLB Courtney Upshaw [Alabama]
1[17] Seattle Seahawks [Cin]: DT Devon Still [Penn St]
1[18] San Diego Chargers: OT Jonathan Martin [Stanford]
1[19] Chicago Bears:
Who would you pick?
I am torn between Mike Adams who plays a more important position [LT] and Cordy Glenn who is higher rated and more versatile, but might not be able to play LT.
I also have a offer from Pittsburgh for 1[24] and 3[88] to move up to 1[19] where I could target Rueben Randle or Mohamed Sanu.
I have a much better feeling about a WR from Rutgers or LSU than I do about one from ND. I may be overly suspicious of him but skill players from ND never seem to do well in the NFL. I can't remember the last time they had a WR make the big time in the NFL. Then you have quite a few QB's who get drafted and turn into disasters like Rick Mirer, Brady Quinn, Jimmy Clausen, etc.......Montana is an exception rather then the rule. The guy we signed as a backup RB, Armando Allen and there was another ND RB we drafted high some years ago that never amounted to much. Their defensive players and lineman seem to do OK but the skill guys, no. Just my observation.
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