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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Well that Oline has been so underdeveloped over the years that when you get a year like this one with some very good talent at the top it's tough to pass on guys like that. Like I posted above, Spencer and CWill are both in the last year of their deals so it pays to be thinking ahead.

    We have to have WR help and we need another pass rusher but the games are won in the trenches and we've had a shallow trench for too long. It's gonna be rather interesting to see what Emery does. KC always has good Olineman so you have to think that Emery has been a big part of that drafting philosophy. Finks pretty well built that line the Bears won a SB with and Dick Stanfel was probably the best line coach we had in that era much like Tice is today.

    I guess we'll know more after FA but I'm inclined to support Emery so far with whatever decision he makes. To early to be over critical without knowing the bigger picture.
    There are a lot of moving parts to this interior OL question, the scary fact as you outlined is Williams [FA], Spencer [FA], Louis [FA] and Garza [Age] could all be gone next season.

    At some point in this draft we need to invest in the interior OL and prepare ourselves to a. get better or b. lose guys in FA.

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    We need to build the most fundamental aspect for the long term as Soul has said. For short-term impact FA will solve many of the wr woes. Getting Konz won't pay out right away perhaps but you build a great foundation for years to come. I don't ever want to go back to these nightmarish o-lines from lack of everything from talent, coaching, and GM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by short faced bear View Post
    We need to build the most fundamental aspect for the long term as Soul has said. For short-term impact FA will solve many of the wr woes. Getting Konz won't pay out right away perhaps but you build a great foundation for years to come. I don't ever want to go back to these nightmarish o-lines from lack of everything from talent, coaching, and GM.


    I would have to disagree and say out of the names being thrown around Konz would be the most likely to step in and play well. Yes the ceilings are higher for guys like flloyd and other names being tossed out there but this would most likely be the safest pick as far as getting a guy who isn't much of a threat to bust

    I'm not saying I will disagree if someone else is taken at 19 but hisdraft stock is climbing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzblue View Post
    I would have to disagree and say out of the names being thrown around Konz would be the most likely to step in and play well. Yes the ceilings are higher for guys like flloyd and other names being tossed out there but this would most likely be the safest pick as far as getting a guy who isn't much of a threat to bust

    I'm not saying I will disagree if someone else is taken at 19 but hisdraft stock is climbing
    Right now, for the sake of the Chicago Bears winning a championship right here, right now, the best policy would be to draft a LT in the first round. I'm going along with soulman and WindyCity. This offensive line has been putrid for six years, ever since the Super Bowl year, and we have to correct it now if we want to get the most out of our offense. In my estimation, and this goes against what a lot of the guys on this forum have been saying, I think LT is the single most important deficiency needing to be addressed this offseason, even over our horrible WRs. Unless Mike Tice gets totally overruled by Emery and we wind up drafting offensive line in the first round, I just have this horrible feeling that we are going to go through yet another season of poor line play and lackluster offensive performances.

    However, there was a string of about five games this season where the offensive line played as well as any line in the league. This occurred when Martz allowed for Tice to install a TE to help chip block for Webb, and the blocking for those five games was, for the most part, excellent. Then, when Cutler went down, everything changed. Webb got sloppy, Chris Williams had already been injured with the broken wrist the prior week and was put on IR, and Lance Louis, from what the offensive line gurus here in the forum said, started struggling with his inside blocks. Now, I have to question something right here. Was it so much the offensive line that improved during the five game winning streak that allowed the Bears to win those games, or was it the fact that Jay Cutler is so damn good at elluding would-be tacklers? The second game Cutler was out was against Kansas City, and we absorbed six sacks in that game, with about four or five occurring within two offensive series' in the fourth quarter. Caleb Hanie looked like a deer in the headlights, and he was clumsy in the pocket to say the least. Then you have the Denver game where the Donkeys sacked us another five or six times. Hanie, again, looked like a deer in the headlights. It seems to me that Cutler made the line look good. Call him "The Artful Dodger" if you will.

    We cannot let this happen again next season. We have the worst offensive line in the entire NFL and yet still manage to win more than we lose most of the time, but eventually, lady luck is going to run out, and something is going to happen to our franchise quarterback. We are wasting his talents as much by avoiding addressing the offensive line as we are not taking care of business with the wide receivers...only probably more so. Without a good line, Cutler is never going to have time to stand pat and launch a pass down field - that's why Martz's offense didn't succeed with this team. I'm not defending Mike Martz because he was the buffoon who refused to adapt his coaching philosophy to the personnel we had before it was too late. But I will say that we need to make our coaches' lives a little easier by getting them the players they need to succeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagan81 View Post
    Right now, for the sake of the Chicago Bears winning a championship right here, right now, the best policy would be to draft a LT in the first round. I'm going along with soulman and WindyCity. This offensive line has been putrid for six years, ever since the Super Bowl year, and we have to correct it now if we want to get the most out of our offense. In my estimation, and this goes against what a lot of the guys on this forum have been saying, I think LT is the single most important deficiency needing to be addressed this offseason, even over our horrible WRs. Unless Mike Tice gets totally overruled by Emery and we wind up drafting offensive line in the first round, I just have this horrible feeling that we are going to go through yet another season of poor line play and lackluster offensive performances.

    However, there was a string of about five games this season where the offensive line played as well as any line in the league. This occurred when Martz allowed for Tice to install a TE to help chip block for Webb, and the blocking for those five games was, for the most part, excellent. Then, when Cutler went down, everything changed. Webb got sloppy, Chris Williams had already been injured with the broken wrist the prior week and was put on IR, and Lance Louis, from what the offensive line gurus here in the forum said, started struggling with his inside blocks. Now, I have to question something right here. Was it so much the offensive line that improved during the five game winning streak that allowed the Bears to win those games, or was it the fact that Jay Cutler is so damn good at elluding would-be tacklers? The second game Cutler was out was against Kansas City, and we absorbed six sacks in that game, with about four or five occurring within two offensive series' in the fourth quarter. Caleb Hanie looked like a deer in the headlights, and he was clumsy in the pocket to say the least. Then you have the Denver game where the Donkeys sacked us another five or six times. Hanie, again, looked like a deer in the headlights. It seems to me that Cutler made the line look good. Call him "The Artful Dodger" if you will.

    We cannot let this happen again next season. We have the worst offensive line in the entire NFL and yet still manage to win more than we lose most of the time, but eventually, lady luck is going to run out, and something is going to happen to our franchise quarterback. We are wasting his talents as much by avoiding addressing the offensive line as we are not taking care of business with the wide receivers...only probably more so. Without a good line, Cutler is never going to have time to stand pat and launch a pass down field - that's why Martz's offense didn't succeed with this team. I'm not defending Mike Martz because he was the buffoon who refused to adapt his coaching philosophy to the personnel we had before it was too late. But I will say that we need to make our coaches' lives a little easier by getting them the players they need to succeed.
    Again Dagan nice analysis.

    The OL has been bad and was slightly better last year but it needs to be upgraded.

    The problem is that Angelo left this team weak and thin at a number of positions and we need to inject youth and talent into a ton of areas. I think we focus on WR, OL and DE this offseason, because as you mentioned about the OL all have a huge impact.

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    Bears had NFL's worst O-line?

    Pro Football Focus, the highly respected NFL stats compilers and interpreters, present an interesting head-shaker regarding the Bears, declaring their offensive line to be the worst in the NFL for 2011. That’s based on pass blocking, run blocking and penalties.

    That’s also worth a chuckle. A couple, actually.

    For one thing, the second-worst line by the standards belonged to the New York Giants. The 2011 Lombardi Trophy also belongs to the New York Giants. The third-worst was that of the Denver Broncos, last seen disappearing under a New England tsunami but not before taking out the Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs.

    Anyway, what makes this a little more head-scratching is that the Bears were the well-known 7-3 before losing their starting quarterback, were about in the middle of the pack on sacks per pass attempt at that time and were on their way to finishing in the top 10 for rushing yards per game despite missing their franchise tailback for virtually the last five games.
    Anyway, what makes this a little more head-scratching is that the Bears were the well-known 7-3 before losing their starting quarterback, were about in the middle of the pack on sacks per pass attempt at that time and were on their way to finishing in the top 10 for rushing yards per game despite missing their franchise tailback for virtually the last five games
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    I'm not saying Webb us a great player but there is no way he is the most pressing need, Carimi is going to be at that LT spot sooner rather than later and Garza I'd old and also a gaurd, with Spencer having a stupid high contract he will most likely be gone next year

    The NFC north as I've said before has a great amount of the leagues best nose guards and we can have Jake Long at left tackle and if Suh pitches a tent in our backfeild it would be obsolete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzblue View Post
    I'm not saying Webb us a great player but there is no way he is the most pressing need, Carimi is going to be at that LT spot sooner rather than later and Garza I'd old and also a gaurd, with Spencer having a stupid high contract he will most likely be gone next year

    The NFC north as I've said before has a great amount of the leagues best nose guards and we can have Jake Long at left tackle and if Suh pitches a tent in our backfeild it would be obsolete
    question becomes where do we get our Jake Long from? haha

    Id iek for the bears to at least walk away with a mid round picked Center at the very least

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    Quote Originally Posted by VJ18 View Post
    question becomes where do we get our Jake Long from? haha

    Id iek for the bears to at least walk away with a mid round picked Center at the very least

    Seriously would be nice hah

    But yeah a center pickup somewhere would be nice im not limited to wanting Konz drafted 1st round, his draft estimation is late first early second putting the Bears in a bad spot to get him unless they moved or he fell significantly

    Whoever they draft I feel like it needs to be someone who can come in and play right away or at least compete for a starting job

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    Webb was the worst OT in the league two years in a row. I would say replacing him is urgent but again just wont be easy

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