Combine Thread; Notes From Day One

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Originally Posted by Papa Bear

Bigger or smaller than expected?

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Rumors had him at 6'4" 248lbs.

This could be huge for Jeffery who has tons of talent that has beem marred in the pre draft process by speed questions and work ethic problems.

This was huge for Jeffery.

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Originally Posted by WindyCity

If you have any serious doubt about Mike Adams ability to plat LT, you cannot draft him at 19.

We have a RT in Gabe Carimi and if Mike Adams fails at LT where do you move him?

At 6'7" he is going to struggle inside at OG and he is not a powerful run blocker to start with and then to get value Adams goes to RT and Carimi goes to OG or LT.

Mike Adams could be a real risk.

Soul, Sunday is a huge day when some of these questionable 1st round WRs run and we can see if the speed issues are real.

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Every thing you say is true which, if you don't think he can outperform Webb you don't draft him.

Not to be lost in Jeffery's great weigh-in are his massive 10 1/4" hands!!!

Reuban Randle's were a disappointing 9 1/2" but not awful.

Marv Jones matched Jeffery's hands and had slightly longer arms. He really stands to earn himself a ton of money on his already rising stock.

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Originally Posted by WindyCity

Rumors had him at 6'4" 248lbs.

This could be huge for Jeffery who has tons of talent that has beem marred in the pre draft process by speed questions and work ethic problems.

This was huge for Jeffery.

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These things always concern me. Many of these guys spend big $$$ (actually their agents $$$) to attend these performance camps to prepare for the Combine which is why you get some workout warriors instead of football players. If Jeffery has weighed that much before if he's not careful he will regain that lost weight.

Every Combine slow guys try to get faster and smaller players try to get bigger and after a while so much emphasis gets put on all this that no matter how good the measurable you still have to find out if they can play football at the NFL level. Sometimes I think this thing gets more hoopla than it deserves just so the NFL can make more $$$ televising it.

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Originally Posted by soulman

There's only one SS in the draft with a 1st round grade and that's Mark Barron but Iloka from BSU and Harrison aren't far behind and are solid 2nd rounders. I'd love to get either of those guys in the second. There are some vet Safeties in FA and it wouldn't surprise me if we went shopping for one there.

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I like Markelle Martin more than either of them. He's simply a more well-rounded safety prospect. Great range and movement skills to cover the pass and is deceptively physical presence is all areas of his game. I see some coverage deficiencies based around COD skills from Iloka and Smith that push them back.

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Originally Posted by lklrlolnlilklsox

I like Markelle Martin more than either of them. He's simply a more well-rounded safety prospect. Great range and movement skills to cover the pass and is deceptively physical presence is all areas of his game. I see some coverage deficiencies based around COD skills from Iloka and Smith that push them back.

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Will Martin go after Iloka and Harrison? The only thing that bothers me with those two is that we'd need to burn our second on one of them when I'd prefer we've got that for other positions. I'd rather get a SS in the 3rd but will your guy be around in the early 3rd?

One thing to keep an eye on. Nick Perry supposedly up to 270 while keeping his freakish speed. Could be a game-changer for our pick, because I like the kids play with his hand in the dirt more than anyone but Coples, but his playing weight was worrisome. If he indeed shows up 265+, he would immediately jump into my top 3 favorites for our pick.

Really like the kid.

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Originally Posted by soulman

Will Martin go after Iloka and Harrison? The only thing that bothers me with those two is that we'd need to burn our second on one of them when I'd prefer we've got that for other positions. I'd rather get a SS in the 3rd but will your guy be around in the early 3rd?

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I simply think he's a better player than either, so I like his chances at going before either.

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Originally Posted by 4DaBERS

Both Webb and Adams are HUGE OT's. I'm sure you (Windy) will agree with me that GENERALLY, this is a common issue for the super-sized guys. There are occasionally some exceptional freak athletes that can overcome this problem, but usually the bigger they are, the harder it is to overcome this particular issue.

I honestly don't see an immediate answer to this problem (LT) in either FA or the draft. In my opinion, the only true answer is for Webb to take a HUGE step forward (really don't see it, I think he has peaked) or TRY Chris Williams at his true position one more time. Perhaps someone like a Nate Potter in the third could be a potential answer down the road, but I think this year we have to go with what we've got (just for the record, not a big Potter believer either).

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It looks more and more like the LT saga will continue. Adams had a great Senior Bowl but sounds like his Combine reviews aren't all that great as of yet. Higher ceiling than Webb? I gotta believe so and think Webb is at or very near his peak. But if Adams can't help much this year than I understand if Tice/Emery passes on him.

I go to Plan B then which would be to look at other OL options in round 1 like Glenn or Konz or maybe Zeitler in 2 and have CWill compete/push Webb at LT in TC. At least pick up a mid round prospect at OT to replace OMG.

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Originally Posted by soulman

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This is somewhat like another OT we had some years back. "Big Cat" Williams came into the NFL as a FA Dlineman and failed miserably at that. But the coaches must have seen something in him because before they gave up on him as a football player they tried him at OT and though he struggled early on to learn a new position he eventually turned out to be one of the best RT's we've ever had. Then there was Stan Thomas probably the worst LT we ever drafted. Let's just hope Webb turns out as good as the "Big Cat" did. They're about the same size.

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That's it, let's move Webb to NT lol.