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Lovie/Tice on Webb; "We Like Him" which in Loviespeak means get used to him
For any of you who are still laboring under the false hope that we might use that first round pick on a LT I thought I'd give you this in it's own thread in addition to posting it in MPBears's Oline analysis. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Chicago Bears Report
Webb remains part of the Bears' future
February, 23, 2012 Feb 23
6:57
PM CT
By Michael C. Wright
AP Photo/Nam Y. HuhJ'Marcus Webb didn't exactly shine at left tackle in 2011. (Michael C. Wright = Capt. Obvious)
INDIANAPOLIS -- Bears coach Lovie Smith joined offensive coordinator Mike Tice in support of left tackle J’Marcus Webb, who remains “a part of our future” despite an up-and-down 2011 season.
“J’Marcus is a heck of a football player,” Smith said Wednesday from the NFL Combine. “I’ll just start out with that. We like him. As far as having a couple bad games, I had a lot of bad games. I think everybody on our team had more bad games than we needed to this past year.” (A COUPLE of bad games??? Lovie he graded out as the worst LT in football. To accomplish that you'd have to have more than just "a couple" of bad games.And now of course you've jinxed him forever with those magical word, "We like him", but you forgot to add, "And will go from there". Aieeeee Caramba, el jefe es muy loco)
Webb seemed to experience more shaky outings than the rest of his offensive line counterparts in 2011. But late in the season Tice lauded Webb for his play against some of the game’s best pass rushers, while acknowledging the rising third-year tackle’s penchant for technical lapses. (Penchant, a definition; "a strong inclination, taste, or liking for something:a penchant for outdoor sports".. So are you saying Webb likes having technical issues?" If we're gonna use fancy words how about "disposition towards" or the simpler plain old English version we like to use around here, just insert "has a habit of fucking up" for penchant and you're home)
According to Pro Football Focus, Webb ranked as the league’s worst full-time starter at left tackle as he allowed 38 pressures. Webb also racked up a team-high 15 penalties for 82 yards, which resulted in eight stalled drives. (All that in just "a couple of bad games". Whew, just think what it would have been like if he'd had a whole season of bad games!)
Still Smith -- like Tice -- seems to think that Webb’s natural talent combined with experience and a full offseason with the team might lead to the tackle elevating his game in 2012. Webb’s prowess as a run blocker should give him a leg up on the team’s new offensive system, which will feature more of an emphasis on the rushing attack than in years past. (Sorry boys but even talent and experience can't overcome dumb, or maybe we should refer to it in the more politically correct term, "football challenged")
Smith said that Tice won’t “get too far away from the offensive line” in the new role as offensive coordinator, which could also pay dividends for Webb’s development. Here’s what Tice said about Webb’s development back in December:
“I thought he's having a good year. Last week I thought he had a little bit of a setback. He struggled a little bit in the pass protection. I think he's been blocking extremely well in the run game, especially on the back side of runs. On the back side of runs, he's cut out the backside of the defense time and time again; the whole season. He's developed into a solid run blocker, and an excellent run blocker on the backside, which is what we do. Pass-wise, he got beat inside on that first third down [against Seattle], and he kind of went into a little funk. I couldn't get him to snap out of it. It was some technique things that fell apart on him.” (Setback??? Then he must have one of those every Sunday Mike because he struggled in pass protection all season long! "Pass-wise, he got beat inside". Mike watch the game tapes, he always gets beat inside. Some technique things fell apart on him. Like he ever had them to begin with? Well, is he still under warranty and if so can we return him for better model? One that won't fall apart this fall)
Last edited by soulman; 02-25-2012 at 03:37 AM.
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What's not to like about the statistically worst LT in pro football? He's helped us win a lot of football games.
One nice thing is that history says that he'll get his chance but when it proves futile(grossman, orton) he will yank them quickly not will not be likely to go back.
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01
What's not to like about the statistically worst LT in pro football? He's helped us win a lot of football games.
One nice thing is that history says that he'll get his chance but when it proves futile(grossman, orton) he will yank them quickly not will not be likely to go back.
There's no other choice. With an entire year of OTA's, training camp, and preseason games if he doesn't improve significantly it becomes time for plan B. I'm still missing what Lovie and Tice are seeing in him. I don't see this tremendous athleticism they do. I see a guy who gets beat inside buy a double move all the time. You think by now he'd have learned how to defend against it. I've said this before but I think the kid is dumber than a box of rocks.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap.
Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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I would guess the bears progression with Webb would go something like this
Plan A-pray that a full off season will make him better to the point where we at least have hope
Plan B-(if he continues to struggle up to week,ooh say 6) flip him and Carimi and see if he cando better there
Plan C (maybe week 10) fire him and start the rotating line routine we've gotten accustom to
I feel like they need to set 5 starters and roll with it through a few weeks instead of flopping everyone all around..makes it impossible to improve if your playing new positions with new guys all the time
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You begin to wonder at what point they move Carimi over if Webb doesn't improve significantly. Tice seems very opposed to it but if we get to help anyplace else the last guy I want to see at LT is Omiyale. If Webb got injured what would they do? As far as I can see there is no other LT on the roster who could do a decent job but Carimi.
I agree that Webb's run blocking has been good but my God his pass blocking and stupid penalties, most of them false starts, need to stop. What I'm hoping for is that someone releases a LT for cap reasons that we may be able to pickup.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap.
Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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Webb is our qb, lol I mean LT. How sad is it when Omiyale could actually compete for his job? I think it's hope he whiffs before the regular season starts forcing a move or he at least gets a bit smarter. I don't even have the feeling that they will dump Omiyale at this point.
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Originally Posted by
soulman
You begin to wonder at what point they move Carimi over if Webb doesn't improve significantly. Tice seems very opposed to it but if we get to help anyplace else the last guy I want to see at LT is Omiyale. If Webb got injured what would they do? As far as I can see there is no other LT on the roster who could do a decent job but Carimi.
I agree that Webb's run blocking has been good but my God his pass blocking and stupid penalties, most of them false starts, need to stop. What I'm hoping for is that someone releases a LT for cap reasons that we may be able to pickup.
I could not agree more soul. This kid is maddening to me. Frankly, I think you are either being nice or diplomatic by throwing him the bone on "...Webb's run blocking has been good" because it's really not and that's another thing that bothers me. That is an attitude that has been perpetuated, but if you watch him, he is average at best and he misses critical blocks often. The kid is just not very good and the sooner our staff see's what fans see the better we'll be. I have joked before that Webb grew up in Mesquite, Texas, only 90 miles from Lovies home town of Big Sandy, TX before, and that is why Webb has been given so many chances. Yes, it has been a joke, but man, what does this kid have that Lovie and Tice Love so much?
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I just think people "mark out" b/c of Webb's size. Yes he's a road-grader and perhaps strong. But if he has no functional strength (technique) and cannot apply that "athleticism" then he his functionally dislocated and is of no use. Add in football I.Q. and coddling this project with chipping and masking just gets worse and worse.
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I still wouldn't be surprised if we get another LT, if only for TC..
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