Thread: NFP Mock Draft v3.0 First Round................

Originally Posted by Dagan81

He simply has to be better than Webb. I'll take a finesse LT and take my chances as opposed to going another year with Webb as my LT.

Sadly, however, we're doomed to potentially several more years of Webb, or so long as that idiot Lovie Smith is running the show.

Originally Posted by Blue Horse-shoe

Fuckin-a-right. Sheezus what's all this stupid shit about worrying how good a run blocker a LT is ? Especially when u have a right-handed QB. I take a LT who is a better pass-blocker than run blocker any day. When's ur franchise QB more likely to get injured ? When he's handing off , or when he's dropping back to pass ?

And ur best run blockers ( by the coach's own admission ) are on the right side of ur line. So run right more often. Duh.

PLUG THE FOOKIN HOLE ON YOUR TEAM ( the right way ). I swear the 'thinking' by this staff is downright assenine sometimes.

Here are a few reasons why Martin may not be any better option than Webb and why he's been slipping some in the rankings.

Jonathan Martin*, T, Stanford: 6-5, 312. Comparable athletically to Matt Kalil and Riley Reiff, according to one scout. "Smart and competitive," the scout said. "Definitely has to get stronger. The guy from USC (Nick Perry) wore him out. That's what bothers me." Three-year starter at LT in a pro offense. "He's a project," another scout said. "He's big and has some short-area athletic ability. But he's not strong, not tough, doesn't give very good effort. He gets beat a lot."

So he's a project which means to me that he wouldn't be ready to take over at LT this year anyway. He's not strong or tough which immediately disqualifies him in Tice's book. Doesn't give good effort and get's beat a lot.
That doesn't sound like a guy I'd want playing LT this year anymore than Webb. In fact I'll take Webb just for his experience and his size. It takes more time and effort to get around a 6'8" 335 lb guy than a 6'5" 315 lb guy.

If we're gonna draft someone lets draft the DE who wore him out, Nick Perry.

Originally Posted by soulman

If we're gonna draft someone lets draft the DE who wore him out, Nick Perry.

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Hilario: The man for us is the one who GAVE him that face.
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Originally Posted by soulman

Here are a few reasons why Martin may not be any better option than Webb and why he's been slipping some in the rankings.

Jonathan Martin*, T, Stanford: 6-5, 312. Comparable athletically to Matt Kalil and Riley Reiff, according to one scout. "Smart and competitive," the scout said. "Definitely has to get stronger. The guy from USC (Nick Perry) wore him out. That's what bothers me." Three-year starter at LT in a pro offense. "He's a project," another scout said. "He's big and has some short-area athletic ability. But he's not strong, not tough, doesn't give very good effort. He gets beat a lot."

So he's a project which means to me that he wouldn't be ready to take over at LT this year anyway. He's not strong or tough which immediately disqualifies him in Tice's book. Doesn't give good effort and get's beat a lot.
That doesn't sound like a guy I'd want playing LT this year anymore than Webb. In fact I'll take Webb just for his experience and his size. It takes more time and effort to get around a 6'8" 335 lb guy than a 6'5" 315 lb guy.

If we're gonna draft someone lets draft the DE who wore him out, Nick Perry.

So he's " smart and competetive" but he " doesn't give very good effort ". ( roll my eyes ). If he sucked he wouldn't have been a starter protecting Luck's blindside for 3yrs. Some of these draft experts are FOS! I watched every Stanford game this year. I just speed watched all the offensive plays in the entire USC game and Martin played excellent vs.Perry- only gave him 2 pressures , so this 'wore him out stuff' is total BS. He's solid and was NEVER a problem and he's WAAAY more athletic than the " experienced" Webb. Draft him and he becomes a starter this year ( after the coaching staff gets fed up with Webb- AGAIN ) . His feet are solid and he's better than Webb already.
I wonder how these draft experts come up with their information .

Originally Posted by motownbear

Floyd isn't lasting to our pick anymore

I have a feeling the offense will get the bandaid treatment again and the defense will get all the goodies

Jerry Angelo might as well be there running the show, right, mo?

Where has Butka been? I'd like to hear his analysis of all these linemen.

Originally Posted by Grizzblue

Flloyd or Konz in my eyes are the most needed for the bears...both can be instant starters and I think could flourish

Thing is if we end up with flloyd we would need another threat as well in order for him to be effective

I'll say this now and stand buy it willing to eat crow if I'm wrong if others will do the same. Michael Floyd will not have a productive year in 2012 and if we draft him he won't even come close to being our top receiver this coming year. There, I've said it and said it again. Rookie WR's don't often produce until they end of their secone year or their third and I think Floyd will have every bit as much of a struggle to start with as any other rookie WR. He's not that special.

Originally Posted by Blue Horse-shoe

So he's " smart and competetive" but he " doesn't give very good effort ". ( roll my eyes ). If he sucked he wouldn't have been a starter protecting Luck's blindside for 3yrs. Some of these draft experts are FOS! I watched every Stanford game this year. I just speed watched all the offensive plays in the entire USC game and Martin played excellent vs.Perry- only gave him 2 pressures , so this 'wore him out stuff' is total BS. He's solid and was NEVER a problem and he's WAAAY more athletic than the " experienced" Webb. Draft him and he becomes a starter this year ( after the coaching staff gets fed up with Webb- AGAIN ) . His feet are solid and he's better than Webb already.

I wonder how these draft experts come up with their information .

He's not a draft day guru Blue. The guy is a pro scout. I realize the opinions of these guys vary greatly from one to another but this isn't the only scouting report I've seen on him that points out these weaknesses. He's not a fit for the Bears.

Tice likes OT's who can play OG and Martin barely has the size and strength to be a decent pass blocker. He's not a tough guy run blocker and any good DE with a bull rush will blow him up until he gains strength and learns to anchor. He may turn out to be a fair LT once he gets accustomed to the pros but he doesn't even come close to fitting Tice's requirements so we won't draft him. That's my opinion.

Originally Posted by soulman

He's not a draft day guru Blue. The guy is a pro scout. I realize the opinions of these guys vary greatly from one to another but this isn't the only scouting report I've seen on him that points out these weaknesses. He's not a fit for the Bears.

Tice likes OT's who can play OG and Martin barely has the size and strength to be a decent pass blocker. He's not a tough guy run blocker and any good DE with a bull rush will blow him up until he gains strength and learns to anchor. He may turn out to be a fair LT once he gets accustomed to the pros but he doesn't even come close to fitting Tice's requirements so we won't draft him. That's my opinion.

Yea he's not a fit for the Bears because Tice is here - the man who said " it's a big mans game ". I know I get it . Tice like maulers with no feet. Fine. Then this fuckin running game better be puttin up 160 per game.

I'm ok with his idea of maulers except for one position- LT , where feet ( the ability to mirror and pass block ) is more important than a mauler. He can have them at every other position NOT LT - which is what I hope Emery has the balls to say to him. Guess 6'06 / 305 isn't big enough - 30lbs heavier and then he's fine right ? Cept one problem- with the added weight the mf can't move his feet well enough now to be an effective pass blocker.

SO THE RUNNING GAME BETTER BE AWESOME !!!!! ( if he's gonna put all of his eggs in one basket ).

Isn't this the team that says it wants a SPEED rusher at right end ? And this is what most other teams have at this position correct ? And the Bears way of solving SPEED rushers ....( let that sink in for a second)... is to have a S L O W-footed mauling clodhopper dimwit manning the LT position. Rather than drafting someone who's : 'smart' (+1) competitive (+2) with good feet (+3 ) who's a 3yr starter at the position (+4 ) by all accounts had a great season (+5 ) and actually plays the game better , tougher, with passion and with more tenacity then is mentioned (+6 ) ........... than what these scouts are giving him credit for.

But he's ONLY 6'06 - 305 ( not 335 ) therefore he doesn't quit fit the cookie cutter " analysis".

( can anybody tell me what the qualifications are to become a 'draft expert" ? Whaddya ~ need a laptop and some made-up web site that other people (who don't know you and have never heard of you) can go on and read the ' analysis' ? Huh !? Any of these clowns ever offer up their extensive resume's as to how they became scouts or 'draft experts' ? C'mon I wanna hear it )!

Ppfftt....