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    Come Monday It's "TAG", you're it................

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    Game of Tag ends Monday Andrew Brandt
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    The clock is ticking toward Monday’s deadline for the application of Franchise Tags (the “Tag”) across the NFL. I expect a number of Tags, with teams waiting until the deadline to apply them. With that, I’ll try to answer some themes from the scores of questions I am getting about the Tag.
    Why are Tag numbers down this season from last year?


    As explained here in November, the new CBA formula for determining the Tag number is looking back five years at the top five Salaries at each position (“Salaries” include salaries plus proration), rather than a looking only to last year. The result of this calculation is that Tag numbers are down from last year an average of $2 million per position!


    The lower numbers are advantageous to teams for a couple of reasons. First, it allows $2 million in savings to use on other areas of the team. More importantly, it sets a lower floor for negotiations, giving teams a lower starting point in negotiations on a long-term deal.


    The Tag reduction is another nugget gleaned from the ten-year CBA as we enter the first offseason under the deal, a “win” for owners that may grow more important as the deal progresses.


    What goes into the decision to place a Tag on a player?


    Sometimes teams believe the agent and player are, well, delusional as to the player’s value. The Tag can put negotiations that are far apart on hold while allowing for future data to enter into the discussion.
    ICONThe Titans used consecutive Tags on Haynesworth, not wanting to commit.


    Also, teams may want to go “year-to-year” with players rather than committing to a long marriage. There may be concerns about longevity, durability and, most importantly, work ethic. The Tag gives the team the option to “pay as you go,” albeit for a large amount.


    The primary example here is the when the Titans – concerned about motivation and work ethic with Albert Haynesworth – chose to apply the Tag to Haynesworth in consecutive years while making little to no effort to sign him beyond one year. The Redskins then sunk $41 million of guaranteed money into Haynesworth and have been trying to recover ever since.


    Can teams apply the Tag repeatedly? Is there any limit?


    In the event the teams apply the Tag for a third consecutive year, they must tender an amount of not 120% of the player’s previous salary – as in a second consecutive year – but 144% of that amount. That appears to be the only restriction on the continued use of the Tag.


    For which positions is the Tag especially important?


    The Tag gives teams an advantage with the two particular skill positions that have proven the most difficult to predict long-term success: running backs (projected Tag of $7.7 million) and wide receivers (projected Tag of $9.4 million). (And this is most likely where will see most of the tags being used)


    These are the two positions where decline can come swiftly and irrevocably. The Tag allows teams to avoid being locked into a contract while such decline is happening before their eyes. I expect several Tags to be used here. As we speak, the Tag is being used as leverage in negotiations with running backs Ray Rice and Matt Forte, and receivers DeSean Jackson, Dwayne Bowe and Wes Welker. (We could add the possibility of seeing guys like Colston, Foster, and Johnson on this list too)


    An interesting situation is also occurring with kickers, where top deals exceed a $3 million average yet the Tag is projected at about $2.7 million. The Bills’ Rian Lindell recently decided to take a deal with the team, although not what he was hoping for, rather than being saddled with an under-market Tag. Other kickers faced with this dilemma may be Josh Scobee, Connor Barth, Neil Rackers, Matt Prater and Jay Feely.


    Super Mario


    As the top pick in the 2006 NFL Draft, Mario Williams' contract not only contained $26.5 million in guaranteed money, but also had a host of bells and whistles that the new CBA sought to eliminate (and did).


    Williams’ 2011 salary was $13.8 million, above the projected $10.6 million Tag for defensive ends. Thus, his Tag number will be 120% of his 2011 “Salary” -- a number that includes the proration from his option bonus and buyback bonus (don’t ask) -- totaling $18.325 million. 120% of that number gives Williams a Tag number – should the Texans choose to apply it – of a staggering $21.99 million!


    Thus, Williams will either make $22 million with the Texans or sign a long-term contract with the Texans or another team for guaranteed money that will certainly exceed $22 million. It’s good to be Mario.


    The game of Tag will heat up in the coming days.
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    It's pretty easy to see why Houston must either quickly negotiate a new contract with MWill or let him go into FA. It's also pretty easy to see that acquiring him won't be cheap but wouldn't it be worth it to have a 27 years old Julius Peppers clone. Not only do we benefit greatly from having the two of them now but we'd also have signed Pep's eventual replacement when he hangs it up after a few more years.

    There are those who disagree but spending the big $$$ on MWill would get us much closer to winning a Super Bowl than spending them on VJax.
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    I'd sign Mario ;)

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    What kind of contract is Mario Looking for? Id sign him if it meant us getting back into the NFC championship. Defense wins Superbowls more case then not

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    It's pretty easy to see why Houston must either quickly negotiate a new contract with MWill or let him go into FA. It's also pretty easy to see that acquiring him won't be cheap but wouldn't it be worth it to have a 27 years old Julius Peppers clone. Not only do we benefit greatly from having the two of them now but we'd also have signed Pep's eventual replacement when he hangs it up after a few more years.

    There are those who disagree but spending the big $$$ on MWill would get us much closer to winning a Super Bowl than spending them on VJax.
    Agree 100%

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    I also agree, get MWill on board, great DL now, when Pep leaves, still have a solid core to build off of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VJ18 View Post
    What kind of contract is Mario Looking for? Id sign him if it meant us getting back into the NFC championship. Defense wins Superbowls more case then not
    Hard to say but it would probably be at least equivalent to Peps deal which was for $84 mil over six years so maybe $90 mil or so. It's not so much the total amount as it is the structure (how much to be paid out when), the cap implications and the guarantees. We'd probably be looking at 50% of the monies guaranteed and 60% of the $$$ paid out during the first three contract years if the deal matches Pep's.

    The Giants proved against two of the best offenses in the NFL that the pass rush is mightier than the passer. I'd love to see Aaron Rodger trying evade both MWill and Pep closing in on him. If you want to beat the Packers you have to take Rodgers out of the game and that's precisely what the Giants did in their playoff game. We need to do it to them twice a year in the regular season and maybe a third time in the playoffs. Time for some paybacks guys.
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    Yeah sign MWill....

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    We do not run a Cover Two all the time, but when we do, any QB in the league can shred it if given 4 to 5 seconds. By contrast, almost no QB's can touch it if given less than 3 seconds. THAT is what MWill teamed with Pep and a very nice young group of Tackles can give us. With that, we can afford to simply re-sign the Corners we have and spend less on the rest of the "D". That said, MWill will cost more than two good solid DB's, and if we draft well, we could still upgrade very nicely at the DE position that MWill would take. Unfortunately, it wont matter how good those DB's are, the cover 2 still has soft spots if you do not get to the QB (every Defense does). SO, I'm with you guys. If we could get the guy, I'm all for it. I just don't think the Bears will spend that much on the DL. I understand your "structure" argument Soul, and you are 100% right, especially since the Bears front loaded Peps contract. It COULD be done, I'm just not sure it will be done. It would be worth it just to get a few still shots of Aaron Rodgers' face with both those guys screaming in on him.


    PS: One thing that bodes well for us (if the Bears would even consider this), there are not a lot of teams that have the cap space to give him what he wants AND (this is a BIG "AND") provide him with the opportunity to play for a real contender along with guys like Lacher, Pep and Briggs, as well as for a Players Coach like Lovie. I'm not Lovies biggest fan, but the players seem to like him and most of the teams with CAP room are not where we are.
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    The positive thing about pursuing him is, like Pep, we know exactly what we're getting. Not too many guys who are the #1 overall choice on draft day suck at what they do and he's no exception. When the performance is there and the risk low the cost is gonna be high but it's not as costly as trying to go cheap and not getting any return on the investment.

    MWill has already come and said that money is not the only issue. He didn't define that but I think we might convince him that Chicago with Cutler is closer to a SB bid than Houston with Schaub. What we also have going for us is Okoye, a former team mate, on the Dline, and Pep who also went to NC and appears to be some kind of a hero to MWill since he wears his number.

    I honestly think if we put effort into it we can get the guy. If Emery can pull that off he's gonna be a hero right off the bat.
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