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    Bears may be able to buck NFL’s TE trend

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    Bears may be able to buck NFL’s TE trend

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    Is Kellen Davis enough at tight end for the Bears? (USPresswire)


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    The New England Patriots’ accomplishments with Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. The New Orleans Saints and Jimmy Graham. What Green Bay has done with Jermichael Finley.

    The NFL is replete with success stories built around high-achievement tight ends. The Bears saw their tight-end-as-a-receiving-threat structure broken apart under the Mike Martz regime that sent Greg Olsen to Carolina and brought Brandon Manumaleuna to Chicago, replaced by Matt Spaeth.

    The result was a gaping void in the Chicago offense that leaves the Bears behind the NFL curve and in franchise difficulty at a time when myriad other needs require immediate attention.

    In fact, the Bears may be in no trouble at all at the position once put on the NFL map by Mike Ditka, for a couple of reasons.

    First, coach Lovie Smith has staunchly championed the upside of Kellen Davis (although Davis is an unrestricted free agent, so keeping him would seem an offseason priority) and the positives of Spaeth.

    “I think if you want to feature Kellen Davis, you can do that,” Smith said last weekend at the NFL Scouting Combine. “Great size, great in-line blocker, skilled enough of an athlete to be able to move outside and do some things. I really like him.”

    The eye-rolling that followed Smith’s remarks about two tight ends with fewer career catches combined than either Graham or Gronkowski had last season alone is understandable.

    But of the seven tight ends among the NFL’s top 40 receivers based on catches in 2011 (Gronkowski, Graham, Hernandez, Jason Witten in Dallas, Tony Gonzalez with Atlanta, Dustin Keller with the Jets, Brett Celek in Philadelphia), only the teams of Graham, Gronkowski-Hernandez got further than the first round of the playoffs.

    And the simple tight-end logic is that if you don’t have a Graham or a Gronkowski, you find some other way to win.

    The New York Giants did. Pretty well. Twice.

    Over-hyped position?

    The infatuation with tight ends may be misplaced or at least over-hyped. When something appears successful, the rush to emulate is usually a stampede, whether on the rosters or in the media.

    The Giants won this Super Bowl with Jake Ballard as their lead tight end. The Packers won last year’s with Finley, but Finley was arguably a wide receiver. (He said so himself, insisting that if the Packers were going to slap a franchise tag on him, it should be the wide receiver one, not the far lower one for tight ends.)

    The Saints got a combined 83 receptions out of Jeremy Shockey and David Thomas in their Super Bowl season. But like Finley, more than a little factor there was the nature of the offense as well as four significant wide receivers (Marques Colston, Devery Henderson, Robert Meachem, Lance Moore).

    The Pittsburgh Steelers got past Arizona in the 2008 Super Bowl with Heath Miller catching 48 on top of 17 by…Matt Spaeth. The Steelers beat the Cardinals for that Lombardi Trophy with a tight end collection of Leonard Pope, Ben Patrick and Jerame Tuman, none of whom caught more than 11 passes.

    Put another way: The NFC is the ascendant conference right now and you can win the NFC without a tight end stopping by on his way to Canton.

    Bears perspective


    Looking to the immediate future of the Chicago Bears offense under Mike Tice, there is not likely to be any panic shopping for a tight end. Nor should there be.

    Phil Emery stuck gold in Kansas City when the Chiefs picked Tony Moeaki (out of Wheaton Warrenville South) in the third round of the 2010 draft. Moeaki caught 47 passes in 2010 before missing all last season with a torn ACL suffered in preseason. The Bears have two third-rounders this draft if Emery sees another Moeaki.

    But Tice built his Minnesota Vikings offense with Scott Linehan (a West Coast descendant) and a tight end in Jim Kleinsasser who was a 272-pound hybrid. Sort of a Manumaleuna with talent.

    Tice’s depth charts listed three tight ends but one was Kleinsasser and the other two were basically just guys. The Bears currently have a possible Kleinsasser in Tyler Clutts, a 260-pound former tight end who can catch and provide escort duty for Matt Forte.

    Kleinsasser’s highest catch total was 46 on a team that was wideout-based with Cris Carter and Randy Moss. With Davis, Spaeth and Clutts, the Bears also have lower-tier options in Kris Adams coming off IR and Andre Smith returning from some time on practice squad.

    A Graham or Gronkowski (even an Olsen) in Chicago would be an upgrade. But enough teams are winning without one that any over-reaction toward the position is questionable at best.

    And unless Smith was lying about his Kellen Davis thoughts, the Bears don’t sound like they consider themselves at the “critical” stage at tight end.
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    While I generally don't agree with a lot of what Moon has to say, in this case I do agree with him. I'm not as caught up in the TE revival as others are and think that Kellen can give the Bears enough of that now that he is the featured TE with an OC who should know how to use him in Tice. I don't think the Bears should bother drafting a TE in the first 3 or 4 rounds unless a TE is absolutely the best talent available at any given pick. Even then I might be hesitant.
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    As long as we keep Davis and keep Andre Smith I think we'll be ok. Plus perhaps a backup TE that could sub at FB in emergencies.
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    While I generally don't agree with a lot of what Moon has to say, in this case I do agree with him. I'm not as caught up in the TE revival as others are and think that Kellen can give the Bears enough of that now that he is the featured TE with an OC who should know how to use him in Tice. I don't think the Bears should bother drafting a TE in the first 3 or 4 rounds unless a TE is absolutely the best talent available at any given pick. Even then I might be hesitant.
    Trends are almost always over-hyped when they begin and the NFL is a copycat league so all these teams will be trying to find TE's which is good because it leaves more WR's. For us.

    From what little I've seen (hell any of us have seen) of Kellen Davis he doen't look like a bum at all. He's made some nice catches, show some speed and athleticism and he can do what Olsen never seemed to be able to which is to put his head down and get yardage after the catch. The guy has been around long enough to have earned a shot. Hell, 5 TD's in what, 28 catches I think which goes farther are showing the blacker side of Martz. Every time Davis had success Martz would go right back to ignoring him. Thank God he's gone.

    It would not surprise me at all if Andre Smith made the roster this year. If we'd have had that kid before we signed Spaeth we may never have done it. I'd be real happy with Davis and Smith as the TE's and using Clutts and Kyle Adams in a FB/HB role. Before we go truckin' off drafting TE's just because other teams want them let's see what we've got in the guys we have. I'm not in favor of using a draft pick on one until we do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Trends are almost always over-hyped when they begin and the NFL is a copycat league so all these teams will be trying to find TE's which is good because it leaves more WR's. For us.

    From what little I've seen (hell any of us have seen) of Kellen Davis he doen't look like a bum at all. He's made some nice catches, show some speed and athleticism and he can do what Olsen never seemed to be able to which is to put his head down and get yardage after the catch. The guy has been around long enough to have earned a shot. Hell, 5 TD's in what, 28 catches I think which goes farther are showing the blacker side of Martz. Every time Davis had success Martz would go right back to ignoring him. Thank God he's gone.

    It would not surprise me at all if Andre Smith made the roster this year. If we'd have had that kid before we signed Spaeth we may never have done it. I'd be real happy with Davis and Smith as the TE's and using Clutts and Kyle Adams in a FB/HB role. Before we go truckin' off drafting TE's just because other teams want them let's see what we've got in the guys we have. I'm not in favor of using a draft pick on one until we do that.
    Cut Spaeth and Barber (and maybe Spencer) and make more cap room for :

    MWILLIAMS + MEACHAM + ROYAL

    Then you're set to have a great draft with lots of options including trade downs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPBears68 View Post
    Cut Spaeth and Barber (and maybe Spencer) and make more cap room for :

    MWILLIAMS + MEACHAM + ROYAL

    Then you're set to have a great draft with lots of options including trade downs.
    I'd be more then down with that. As it's been stated over and over Martz was not big in utilizing TE's to their full potential, with Tice running the show I'm excited to see what this offense is capable of. Though if Mario is added to the D the offense might not have to do much.*

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPBears68 View Post
    Cut Spaeth and Barber (and maybe Spencer) and make more cap room for :

    MWILLIAMS + MEACHAM + ROYAL

    Then you're set to have a great draft with lots of options including trade downs.
    All three are excellent ideas if we carry them out. Problem is I don't think they'll cut Spaeth and Barber just yet.

    But there is still enough cap $$$ to get those three and re-sign some of our own (which I wish would get done) if the deals are structured well. The good thing is that McCaskey said directly and publicly that money would not be an issue. There's two different monies involved here. Cap money or cap accounting might be a better word and then there's McCaskey money. That has to pay all of those upfront dollars you may need to pay to get a deal done.

    But if we went into the draft with those 3 and our own key players signed I'd just sleep through the draft and have you guys tell about afterward because that would be mostly frosting on the cake. The bad part is that I doubt it will be that easy.
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    No, let's just quit worrying about trends. What was our MO before MM? Throwing to the TE. Besides MM, what changed that? Not having a good TE to catch. If we can patch all our offensive holes in FA, I really think trading down to get Allen from Clemson in the second, and going for BPA after that, as long as DE, CB, OT and OG is a splendid idea..


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    I was interested in Dwayne Allen before his disappointing combine performance. I still wouldn't mind him in the 3rd or 4th round, but I doubt he can supplant Kellen Davis as the No. 1 tight end.

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