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Thread: Receiver Roulette; Do We Spin The Wheel on One of These Guys?

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    Carl Nicks: Chicago Bears

    The Bears have a strong defense. They have a good quarterback. They will have a great running back if they franchise Forte. And they have a terrible, terrible offensive line. The Bears finished 24th in our adjusted line yards metric and 31st in adjusted sack rate allowed. No one lineman stood out as deficient in 2011 because they pretty much all were, except for veteran Roberto Garza playing out of position at center. The Bears should have no problem kicking either Chris Williams or Chris Spencer out of the starting lineup to make room for Nicks, and a line that adds Nicks and Gabe Carimi, who missed most of his rookie season with injury, might give Forte actual holes to run through. A big free-agent signing would help Chicago take advantage of the fact that it is the only NFC North team with actual cap space.


    Vincent Jackson: Chicago Bears

    Is it cheating to say that the top two offensive free agents fit best in the same city? When your team finishes fourth in Football Outsiders' ratings for defense and first in special teams but 30th in offense, it's pretty clear where the problem lies. It's highly unlikely the Bears could sign both Jackson and Nicks, but Jackson solves Chicago's other offensive problem, which is that the team has no true No. 1 receiver. He's a huge target who can stretch the field vertically, exactly what the Bears are looking for in their offense. Of course, if the Bears signed Jackson instead of Nicks, Jay Cutler might not stay upright long enough to get it to Jackson. If Jackson is more concerned with getting paid than winning games, he would also fit nicely with Jacksonville, a team with a ton of cap space and a receiving corps even worse than Chicago's.


    NFL - Best fits for Mario Williams, Peyton Manning, top free agents - ESPN

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    I've always liked Colston. He's one WR whose been productive from day one and that would be quite an accomplishment for a first rounder. For a 7th rounder it's phenomenal. My greatest concern with his is $$$ vs. his knee problem. It's gonna be hard to sign him and protect yourself at the same time because there will be quite a few teams with an interest so it's unlikely he'll go cheap.

    Garcon would be nice but not at $35 mil plus. I'm not saying he's not worth looking into but if he's not willing to settle for what the Colts offered him I don't really want him. He's not a $40-$50 mil guy. He's really just a good #2. Wayne still remains the #1 guy but so many of you decline because of his age. Reggie Wayne stays in pretty good shape and he has no serious injury history.

    Other than my feeling that we should absolutely sign Eddie Royal I'd say it comes down to Wayne or Meachem with an outside chance of Colston. Very outside I think. All of these guy play indoors except for Royal and on average Denver winter weather isn't as harsh as Chicago. Maybe that won't have any affect at all but it's just one thing to keep in mind.
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    Harry Douglas is someone I would add to the list with Eddie Royal as a 2nd FA WR option.

    1. Meachem FA
    2. Hill 1st/2nd
    3. Bennett
    4. Harry Douglas FA

    That is almost a 4x100 track team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCity View Post
    Harry Douglas is someone I would add to the list with Eddie Royal as a 2nd FA WR option.

    1. Meachem FA
    2. Hill 1st/2nd
    3. Bennett
    4. Harry Douglas FA

    That is almost a 4x100 track team.
    Windy it's like you're replacing the entire WR core except for Bennett. If we got Meachem and Royal in FA we wouldn't need to more WR's. Take on more in the 2nd or 3rd round to bring along and you've have most of what you need. Knox is not a bad receiver when used correctly and Sanz has a knack for getting open. He just needs to do a better job of catching it which shouldn't be all that hard since his hands are the most impressive thing about him. We need upgrades but not a complete overhaul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Windy it's like you're replacing the entire WR core except for Bennett. If we got Meachem and Royal in FA we wouldn't need to more WR's. Take on more in the 2nd or 3rd round to bring along and you've have most of what you need. Knox is not a bad receiver when used correctly and Sanz has a knack for getting open. He just needs to do a better job of catching it which shouldn't be all that hard since his hands are the most impressive thing about him. We need upgrades but not a complete overhaul.
    I disagree the Bears need a complete overhaul not just upgrades, this unit is tied with Jacksonville for the worst WR core in the NFL.

    I am replacing the entire WR core except for Bennett because they suck.

    Hester, terrible WR should get 3-5 snaps a game to run deep routes.

    Knox, not bad but SEVERLY injured and we do not know if he can ever play again. I know the beat guys are saying that he should be back, but even if he does get back in what shape physically and mentally will he be, he was soft and scared before he got hurt.

    Sanz, nothing he does stands out he is the poor man's version of Earl Bennett and if the Bears cut him I will bet he is up here in Canada with me pretty quickly.

    We need 5 WRs at a minimum and I think that we have 1 healthy WR that is worth anything, and in this plan I would not be counting on Hill to produce a ton as a rookie.

    I know that you want to make over the DE spot, but we have an All-Pro at that position at WR we have a good #3 and that is it, there is literally 0 game changing talent at the position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCity View Post
    I disagree the Bears need a complete overhaul not just upgrades, this unit is tied with Jacksonville for the worst WR core in the NFL.

    I am replacing the entire WR core except for Bennett because they suck.

    Hester, terrible WR should get 3-5 snaps a game to run deep routes.

    Knox, not bad but SEVERLY injured and we do not know if he can ever play again. I know the beat guys are saying that he should be back, but even if he does get back in what shape physically and mentally will he be, he was soft and scared before he got hurt.

    Sanz, nothing he does stands out he is the poor man's version of Earl Bennett and if the Bears cut him I will bet he is up here in Canada with me pretty quickly.

    We need 5 WRs at a minimum and I think that we have 1 healthy WR that is worth anything, and in this plan I would not be counting on Hill to produce a ton as a rookie.

    I know that you want to make over the DE spot, but we have an All-Pro at that position at WR we have a good #3 and that is it, there is literally 0 game changing talent at the position.
    Couple this ... with this O-line, and do u think Cutler would REALLY want to re-up with the Bears in a couple years if things don't improve ? ALOT. If I was him, and most of the money and draft picks are being spent on the D ( as usual ) , I'd be looking to move to the team that is the best fit and one that actually pays as much ( if not more ) attention to the O . And as long as he stays healthy and performs as well as expected - there's gonna be plenty of suitors for him. Expecting him to 'put up' with the status quo is not going to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCity View Post
    I disagree the Bears need a complete overhaul not just upgrades, this unit is tied with Jacksonville for the worst WR core in the NFL.

    I am replacing the entire WR core except for Bennett because they suck.

    Hester, terrible WR should get 3-5 snaps a game to run deep routes.

    Knox, not bad but SEVERLY injured and we do not know if he can ever play again. I know the beat guys are saying that he should be back, but even if he does get back in what shape physically and mentally will he be, he was soft and scared before he got hurt.

    Sanz, nothing he does stands out he is the poor man's version of Earl Bennett and if the Bears cut him I will bet he is up here in Canada with me pretty quickly.

    We need 5 WRs at a minimum and I think that we have 1 healthy WR that is worth anything, and in this plan I would not be counting on Hill to produce a ton as a rookie.

    I know that you want to make over the DE spot, but we have an All-Pro at that position at WR we have a good #3 and that is it, there is literally 0 game changing talent at the position.
    I want 2 Free agents

    1. Meachem/Garcon/Wayne
    2. Royal/Douglas/Doucet

    And at least 1 top 3 round draft pick,

    Floyd/Hill/Sanu/McNutt/Quick

    That gives us 3 new players to add to Bennett and Knox if he is healthy enough to resume playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCity View Post
    I disagree the Bears need a complete overhaul not just upgrades, this unit is tied with Jacksonville for the worst WR core in the NFL.

    I am replacing the entire WR core except for Bennett because they suck.

    Hester, terrible WR should get 3-5 snaps a game to run deep routes.

    Knox, not bad but SEVERLY injured and we do not know if he can ever play again. I know the beat guys are saying that he should be back, but even if he does get back in what shape physically and mentally will he be, he was soft and scared before he got hurt.


    Sanz, nothing he does stands out he is the poor man's version of Earl Bennett and if the Bears cut him I will bet he is up here in Canada with me pretty quickly.

    We need 5 WRs at a minimum and I think that we have 1 healthy WR that is worth anything, and in this plan I would not be counting on Hill to produce a ton as a rookie.


    I know that you want to make over the DE spot, but we have an All-Pro at that position at WR we have a good #3 and that is it, there is literally 0 game changing talent at the position.
    1) I don't know how you came up with that statement about the Bears receivers Windy but around here when we make claims like that the rule is we provide the documantion to back it up. I see that's missing from your post.

    2) Why don't we wait to see how Knox responds before we bury him okay. Where you come off saying it's just the beat (I assume you the sportswriter) who say he should return. His own doctors (who can be notoriously pessimistic) have said this is not a career ending injury that he will be able to play again. You're projecting and you have nothing to back it up other than YOUR OPINION that the doctors are wrong so at least acknowledge that it is opinion not some diagnoses by sportswriters of yourself. It's not about his injuries is it? You're last comment makes it clear you don't like the guy period so let's not hide behind the injury card. You don't like the way he plays and that's your reason for trashing him isn't it? Let's not forget that the guy is only 24 years old. He had close to 1000 yards in 2010 and would have been close again had he not been splitting time with that fool RWill and also gotten injured and missed 3 games. Despite that he had the 2nd highest average yardage per catch in the NFL, 19.6 yds and he also returned 15 kick offs averaging 26.5 per return which is a higher average than even Devin Hester. Let's consider ALL of the factors before we decide to kick him to the curb.

    3) The Bears need 5 new WR's????????????????????????????????? You're out of your fooking mind my friend. Why don't you write that up and mail it in to Dan Pompeii's mailbag and see what kind of a response you get when he stops laughing. I'd just love to see where you're gonna find 5 new guys all of whom would perform better than anyone else but Bennett. Look even I'm rolling on the floor laughing. You should limit your Moosehead intake before you write stuff like this because your either crazy or drunk.
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    Um, let's look at the WRs we did have.

    hester
    Hurd
    Williams
    Bennett
    Knox
    Sanzenbacher


    Hurd and williams are as good as gone, so there's 2 new ones needed. Knox suffered a SPINE INJURY, soul, not to mention they were optimistic that he'd be back right AT the preseason.... You can't put him in the optimistic portion of the "maybe" category...That's 3. Sanzenbacher was only getting a lot of reps when Bennett was hurt, and disappeared early on in the season. I'd say that's 4,if he's a poor understudy for Bennett...The only thing Hester is better at than Knox, besides walking, is knocking down the pass if it's thrown poorly. 5 right there..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Burris View Post
    Um, let's look at the WRs we did have.

    hester
    Hurd
    Williams
    Bennett
    Knox
    Sanzenbacher


    Hurd and Williams are as good as gone, so there's 2 new ones needed. Knox suffered a SPINE INJURY, soul, not to mention they were optimistic that he'd be back right AT the preseason.... You can't put him in the optimistic portion of the "maybe" category...That's 3. Sanzenbacher was only getting a lot of reps when Bennett was hurt, and disappeared early on in the season. I'd say that's 4,if he's a poor understudy for Bennett...The only thing Hester is better at than Knox, besides walking, is knocking down the pass if it's thrown poorly. 5 right there..
    OK Henry but I see it differently and I'd guess my view is the one that's nearer the way the Bears will approach it. Hurd's already gone and RWill isn't under contract so count him out too. So we have two guys we need to replace and as of right now we have the following on the roster;

    Hester
    Knox (IR)
    Bennett
    Sanz
    Komar
    Plus two guys on the PS who may amount to nothing.

    We usually keep 6 WR's so we've got Bennett, Hester Sanz, and Knox. We pick up a WR in FA to alternate with Knox as #1 or replace him in the event he can't return this year. We sign a guy like Eddie Royal to play in the slot and maybe knock Sanz out of that role. Hester plays sparingly but moved around to create mismatches and Bennett ties down #2. So including Sanz but not Komar that's six guys all capable of making the roster. Now add one more early in the draft and we have 7 guys not including Komar competing for those 6 spots and undoubtedly we'll sign a few more as UDFA much like we did with Sanz. So we may have as many as 8-10 guys in camp.

    We're not getting rid of either Hester or Bennett and if we don't sign Eddie Royal or another to compete at Slot then Sanz probably has the inside track against the rookie along with Hester. Knox may or may not be healthy to begin the season but that's why we're after a #1 type guy in FA to share that spot with Knox. Personally I think Knox will be there but in the event he isn't we have a solution.

    So two guys from FA or maybe only one depending on how Emery decides to draft and one pick somewhere in the first three rounds of the draft. That's two or at best three new guys unless one of the rookie UDFA steps in. I don't see five new WR's and anyone who thinks that will happen all I can say is good luck with that. The Bears aren't gonna turn over 80% of their receivers in one year I don't care what anyone's rationale is for that it ain't gonna happen.
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