Looks like Carl Nicks will be hitting FA

**soulman** · 03-04-2012, 12:00 PM

Just saw one mock this AM where Floyd and all of the pass rushers were gone by #19 so the Bears take Cordy Glenn. That's not as far fetched as it may seem. There is quite a bit of Dline talent that could go in the top 20 and teams won't pass up good DT's and DE's for an OG, not even Glenn. If he's the top guy on our board I could see it happening.

The other reason why it would be far better to draft Glenn or DeCastro if he ever fell to #19 is we're talking about guys whose four year contracts will cost just a little more in total than what Nicks expects to get for one year. The cap isn't going up by leaps and bounds like it was a few years back and these guys are gonna have to get accustomed salaries getting rolled back a bit. You could see that in the decline in the cost associated with a franchise tag.

Well, that's beside the point but when you contrast what a rookie costs you compared to what a Pro Bowler expects to get you just can't justify the difference unless you have cap dollars you need to burn. Nicks can't be be worth $5-$6 mil more per year than rookies as good as DeCastro and Glenn are.

**WindyCity** · 03-04-2012, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by lklrlolnlilklsox

Fuck spending a first on Cordy. The big boy I said this about during the Shrine Game, "Also impressed by the massive Brandon Brooks at LG. Moving his man back all day on the ground and anchors crazy well with deceptively fast feet in pass pro," ran a sub 5 40 twice and put up 36 reps at his pro day at 6'5" 346 with 34" arms, and won't cost you but a mid-round pick.

I like Brandon Brooks and he would be a nice 3rd round pick.

Jahri Evans got 7 years 57.7 million dollars, which is 8.1 million a season. If Nicks wants to get more than than he will probably want an average of 8.5 million.

Lets estimate that it is going to be 7 years 59 million, or 7 for 60 million. That is a lot of cash for an OG, but we also do not pay anyone on our OL a lot of money.

When you consider that most teams have an 8-10 million dollar LT the Bears are under spending on their OL.

I would not sign Nicks if it cost us a WR or a chance at Mario Williams.

**soulman** · 03-04-2012, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by WindyCity

I like Brandon Brooks and he would be a nice 3rd round pick.

Jahri Evans got 7 years 57.7 million dollars, which is 8.1 million a season. If Nicks wants to get more than than he will probably want an average of 8.5 million.

Lets estimate that it is going to be 7 years 59 million, or 7 for 60 million. That is a lot of cash for an OG, but we also do not pay anyone on our OL a lot of money.

When you consider that most teams have an 8-10 million dollar LT the Bears are under spending on their OL.

I would not sign Nicks if it cost us a WR or a chance at Mario Williams.

I wouldn't sign him under any circumstances. Not at the level he thinks he's worth. Let's assume that whoever drafts Glenn gives him a 4 year deal that averages $ 2.5 mil per year, $10 mil total. Since OG isn't at the top of our needs list why on earth would we spend $50 mil more on Nicks than we could get Glenn for. If we took a guy like Brooks in the 3rd you'd be looking at about $3 mil over 4 years tops.

I think my only point in this is not to draft Glenn but rather how much cheaper it is to draft that position than to fill it in FA with a guy who's looking to be paid like an OT. Those changes in the CBA have made rookie contracts a lot more valuable in terms of building through the draft. That's why Emery is the GM as opposed to a guy whose specialty was pro personnel.

**WindyCity** · 03-04-2012, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by soulman

I wouldn't sign him under any circumstances. Not at the level he thinks he's worth. Let's assume that whoever drafts Glenn gives him a 4 year deal that averages $ 2.5 mil per year, $10 mil total. Since OG isn't at the top of our needs list why on earth would we spend $50 mil more on Nicks than we could get Glenn for. If we took a guy like Brooks in the 3rd you'd be looking at about $3 mil over 4 years tops.

I think my only point in this is not to draft Glenn but rather how much cheaper it is to draft that position than to fill it in FA with a guy who's looking to be paid like an OT. Those changes in the CBA have made rookie contracts a lot more valuable in terms of building through the draft. That's why Emery is the GM as opposed to a guy whose specialty was pro personnel.

The difference is that Glenn and Brooks could both suck, or more realistically be totally average.

We know for a fact that Carl Nicks is the best OG in the NFL, in 700 pass attempts last season he allowed 12 pressures and 0 sacks, which is mind boggling.

I would not do it, but I could see exactly what Emery is thinking if were to make to move.

**soulman** · 03-04-2012, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by WindyCity

The difference is that Glenn and Brooks could both suck, or more realistically be totally average.

We know for a fact that Carl Nicks is the best OG in the NFL, in 700 pass attempts last season he allowed 12 pressures and 0 sacks, which is mind boggling.

I would not do it, but I could see exactly what Emery is thinking if were to make to move.

I don't know about Brooks but DeCastro and Glenn are rated about as close to a sure thing as you can get. OG is not that hard a position to play anyway which is why they're usually not drafted very high. You can bet that if Glenn rates a first round pick he's not gonna suck.

Besides you can't justify spending $60 mil on an OG just because you think Glenn might suck and anyway less than a week ago you were singing his praises and thought we should draft him at #19 over a DE or WR. You can't have it both ways Windy. He can't be a great pick for us and possibly suck at the same time. Plus you have no idea if after he gets his huge contract whether or not Nicks remains that big a force. It's no more likely or less likely than what you get in Glenn and I assume if sox has looked at Brooks closely there's little chance of failure there either.

**VJ18** · 03-05-2012, 08:03 AM

there is no way in hell Nicks is worth even near 40 million, sorry but not for one offensive lineman. Gents save it and remember i said this today. The Saints will be just fine without Nicks at LG. Nicks will not be near as good when he leaves New Orleans

**motownbear** · 03-05-2012, 01:06 PM

you are right he isnt worth 40 mil......he is more of a 60 mil investment to be honest. Nicks wont be cheap. I would rather save that money for a legit LT.

**soulman** · 03-05-2012, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by motownbear

you are right he isnt worth 40 mil......he is more of a 60 mil investment to be honest. Nicks wont be cheap. I would rather save that money for a legit LT.

Yes he is and he's not gonna settle for less than Evans got if he can help it and there's enough money laying around this year that someone will step up to the plate. He's an OG looking for OT money. If he was as good at LT as he is at OG I'd be flying him to Chicago and feeding him all you can eat pork chops at Ditka's until he signed a deal. But he's not. And I agree with you mo. Spending $8 mil per year on an OG when we're struggling to put a competent LT on the field is crazy.

**Zelezo Vlk** · 03-05-2012, 01:26 PM

So the pork chops are the specialty at Ditka's?... I'm a fan of improving the line if it makes sense fiscally, but Carl Nicks doesn't, and since we don't have KC or Tampa cap space, we should steer away from inside linemen.

**VJ18** · 03-05-2012, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by motownbear

you are right he isnt worth 40 mil......he is more of a 60 mil investment to be honest. Nicks wont be cheap. I would rather save that money for a legit LT.

hmmm i dont think so, your only as good as the guy next to you and both evans and nicks are nearly on opposite ends plus they have a decent LT and C so basically what your telling me is that 1 guy will change our line? i dont think so

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