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Originally Posted by
BigBadPapaBear
Soul there is nothing wrong with the Bears upgrading the WR corp once and for all. The Bears need another big time talent at WR. At this point, we may not be able to count on Knox. The Bears aren't going to make it with just Marshall and Bennett and the inconsistent Hester and Sanzenbacher. The Bears need to look to take the best player available at #19 that will impact this time right away. Floyd is an NFL ready receiver. And the pass rushers that are going to be available when the Bears pick are even more questionable than Floyd. Floyd has done it his whole college career. There are no questions about him being a great Wr at the NFL level. He can do it all and has a very high ceiling. If he's there at #19, they need to pick him. They'll regret it if they don't.
If he doesn't lose ground Floyd will be nowhere to be found come #19. Some of the draft projections have him in the top 10 now but to me he's still a risk. Maybe not as big of a risk as he was before he clocked some good 40's but still a risk. I don't think he's any more or less of a risk than guys like Perry, Upshaw, Mercilus, Ingram etc. They all carry similar ratings.
I think my point has less to do with whether he is or ins't gonna be a great player but that after trading for Marshall the need for Floyd all but goes away. Maybe Floyd was there guy but when he got bumped up after the Combine and Emery figured he wouldn't get him he needed to go a different direction.
Our WR core is pretty young. Hester and Marshall are the oldies and they're both less than 30. Hester's no longer an every down player Bennett and Knox are only 25 Sanz is even younger and we can pick up a bigger WR farther on down the line to play #2 if he can beat Bennett out. We won't find a DE at that same spot.
Look at it strictly from an economic standpoint. Marshall is a #1 and paid like one. Why would we draft a guy like Floyd and pay him first round money to be the #2 WR if he can even beat Bennett our for that spot. PB we've filled that #1 hole for now so what do we do with Floyd. You expect you're #1 pick to play and even if he does he's a #2 on this team. JMHO.
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Originally Posted by
soulman
If he doesn't lose ground Floyd will be nowhere to be found come #19. Some of the draft projections have him in the top 10 now but to me he's still a risk. Maybe not as big of a risk as he was before he clocked some good 40's but still a risk. I don't think he's any more or less of a risk than guys like Perry, Upshaw, Mercilus, Ingram etc. They all carry similar ratings.
I think my point has less to do with whether he is or ins't gonna be a great player but that after trading for Marshall the need for Floyd all but goes away. Maybe Floyd was there guy but when he got bumped up after the Combine and Emery figured he wouldn't get him he needed to go a different direction.
Our WR core is pretty young. Hester and Marshall are the oldies and they're both less than 30. Hester's no longer an every down player Bennett and Knox are only 25 Sanz is even younger and we can pick up a bigger WR farther on down the line to play #2 if he can beat Bennett out. We won't find a DE at that same spot.
Look at it strictly from an economic standpoint. Marshall is a #1 and paid like one. Why would we draft a guy like Floyd and pay him first round money to be the #2 WR if he can even beat Bennett our for that spot. PB we've filled that #1 hole for now so what do we do with Floyd. You expect you're #1 pick to play and even if he does he's a #2 on this team. JMHO.
I like Bennett but that was Angelo's signing. You can never have too many good receivers. First rd money at #19 is not anything that breaks the bank. Floyd will be a long term fixture at the WR position. Besides, Marshall could be facing some kind of a suspension. The Bears have neglected bringing in WRs that make plays for a long time. Its time they load Cutler with every weapon possible. Our receiving corp was hit badly by injuries last year, so bringing in Floyd if available, is the right move for this franchise. You're going to have a pass rusher available in rd 2. Hester and Sanz are not capable receivers. And Knox is an unknown and will be a FA aftre this year. This is a very unstable corp of receivers to be going into the season with.
You can't just bank on Marshall and Bennett playing all 16 games and carrying the passing game.
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Originally Posted by
BigBadPapaBear
I like Bennett but that was Angelo's signing. You can never have too many good receivers. First rd money at #19 is not anything that breaks the bank. Floyd will be a long term fixture at the WR position. Besides, Marshall could be facing some kind of a suspension. The Bears have neglected bringing in WRs that make plays for a long time. Its time they load Cutler with every weapon possible. Our receiving corp was hit badly by injuries last year, so bringing in Floyd if available, is the right move for this franchise. You're going to have a pass rusher available in rd 2. Hester and Sanz are not capable receivers. And Knox is an unknown and will be a FA aftre this year. This is a very unstable corp of receivers to be going into the season with.
You can't just bank on Marshall and Bennett playing all 16 games and carrying the passing game.
I'm dying to know because I haven't found him yet...Who pray tell might that be in round 2???
I don't see it. And apparently Emery doesn't either or he wouldn't have bet the farm trying to sign MWill (and then Mincey). He would have instead spent far less money signing VJax in addition to the Marshall trade .
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Originally Posted by
BigBadPapaBear
You can't just bank on Marshall and Bennett playing all 16 games and carrying the passing game.
I think Forte, Davis and a 2nd/3rd round rookie WR would be plenty to help those two out.
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I would argue that a #2 WR is as important a need. As of this moment teams are going to double team Marshall on every pass play. By adding a 2nd WR the Bears could ensure that teams keep a safety deep and not double team every play.
Imagine Kendall Wright on one side attacking deep like Mike Wallace or Antonio Brown while Marshall runs the other routes. If a team decides that Brandon Marshall will not beat us then they need to worry about Kendall Wright or Stephen Hill beating them deep.
Right now we have no one that can threaten the defense deep across from Brandon Marshall.
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Originally Posted by
WindyCity
I would argue that a #2 WR is as important a need. As of this moment teams are going to double team Marshall on every pass play. By adding a 2nd WR the Bears could ensure that teams keep a safety deep and not double team every play.
Imagine Kendall Wright on one side attacking deep like Mike Wallace or Antonio Brown while Marshall runs the other routes. If a team decides that Brandon Marshall will not beat us then they need to worry about Kendall Wright or Stephen Hill beating them deep.
Right now we have no one that can threaten the defense deep across from Brandon Marshall.
Perhaps they plan on having Hester fill that role? I would have really liked someone like Meachem to be that deep threat because as good as Wright could be you have no idea how effective he'll be his first year in the league, WR's usually aren't that much of a factor year one. Stephen Hill is intriguing as hell and I'd love to get him.. but the dude is raw and still need to develop and we can't afford a first rounder developmental guy just cause of his potential. It'd be nice, yeah, but we need someone who can step in and impact the team day 1, no matter what position it is.
Honestly if we were gonna burn a first on Wright or Hill at this point in time I'd probably rather trade for Wallace. The dude is still young and is a proven product who will contribute day 1. I don't like the idea of how much more we'd be paying but if the Bears were looking at Wright or Hill I'd almost prefer it. I'm all about building through the draft, I really believe that's how you win in this league.. I'm just sayin if they're looking at Wright/Hill they should be contemplating Wallace. I don't think they are even considering any of those things though.
Last edited by Chi66; 03-20-2012 at 11:56 AM.
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Originally Posted by
WindyCity
I would argue that a #2 WR is as important a need. As of this moment teams are going to double team Marshall on every pass play. By adding a 2nd WR the Bears could ensure that teams keep a safety deep and not double team every play.
Imagine Kendall Wright on one side attacking deep like Mike Wallace or Antonio Brown while Marshall runs the other routes. If a team decides that Brandon Marshall will not beat us then they need to worry about Kendall Wright or Stephen Hill beating them deep.
Right now we have no one that can threaten the defense deep across from Brandon Marshall.
Did Marshall have anyone of note across from him in Miami? I can't think of who it was so I'm assuming it wasn't anyone special. And he still put up 1,000+ yard seasons with Miami.
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Originally Posted by
Papa Bear
Did Marshall have anyone of note across from him in Miami? I can't think of who it was so I'm assuming it wasn't anyone special. And he still put up 1,000+ yard seasons with Miami.
He had Brian Hartline and Devon Bess, agreed no one special.
But I do not want Marshall to put up 1000 yards and 6 TDs, I want him to be a threat to put up 1500 yards and 10 TDs because he has that talent if we can have him avoid being double covered.
1000 yards and 6 TDs is like having a Ferrari that you drive at 40mph on the highway, not really why you bought it.
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Originally Posted by
Chi66
Perhaps they plan on having Hester fill that role? I would have really liked someone like Meachem to be that deep threat because as good as Wright could be you have no idea how effective he'll be his first year in the league, WR's usually aren't that much of a factor year one. Stephen Hill is intriguing as hell and I'd love to get him.. but the dude is raw and still need to develop and we can't afford a first rounder developmental guy just cause of his potential. It'd be nice, yeah, but we need someone who can step in and impact the team day 1, no matter what position it is.
Honestly if we were gonna burn a first on Wright or Hill at this point in time I'd probably rather trade for Wallace. The dude is still young and is a proven product who will contribute day 1. I don't like the idea of how much more we'd be paying but if the Bears were looking at Wright or Hill I'd almost prefer it. I'm all about building through the draft, I really believe that's how you win in this league.. I'm just sayin if they're looking at Wright/Hill they should be contemplating Wallace. I don't think they are even considering any of those things though.
The part that would keep me from doing that is the money because you would have to give Wallace 5 years 50 million [DeSean Money]
Where as Kendall Wright would be making 2-3 million tops.
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Originally Posted by
WindyCity
The part that would keep me from doing that is the money because you would have to give Wallace 5 years 50 million [DeSean Money]
Where as Kendall Wright would be making 2-3 million tops.
True but who knows what Wright can do in year 1, and Wallace is 25. I know if the Bears are looking WR in the first they wouldn't pursue Wallace due to the reasons you listed.. but still.. damn that'd be nice.