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    btw the franchise tag if signed is a 100% guaranteed contract for that year. No incentives. Cant get cut mid season etc..... He gets 100% of that money. In a long term deal there is allot of funny business with how it is worded and what the values really are. Forte could make more money in three years being franchised then a long term deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by blinddeafmute View Post
    Matt, you're basically being paid this year like you're the third best back in the league. You really just need to be quiet. Or you should haven't been so damn stubborn last year and signed a deal.

    For 1 year yes, but the last 4-5 contracts are MUCH greater then his FT. He's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear Goggles View Post
    It would take the average American 150 years to make 7.7 million. Good thing I'm going to live to 200.

    Wow...if I said to my boss at review time "There's only so many times a man that has done everything he's been asked to do can be disrespected! Guess the GOOD GUYS FINISH LAST"..He'd probably say "ok then, you LAST paycheck will be in the mail", and show me the door..
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    Restating this from another thread. Phillips holds the purse strings, The money that Forte (or any other player) gets paid is NOT decided upon by Emery or any other Bears GM.
    "Professional Armchair Quarterback" and other oxymora.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear Goggles View Post
    It would take the average American 150 years to make 7.7 million. Good thing I'm going to live to 200.


    It takes about 1/3 of a year for last four top RB's average RB contract's

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    Quote Originally Posted by motownbear View Post
    he has a 7.7 mil contract and he is being disrespected lol. Good god how about we find out what he is calling fair compensation cause I think the contracts are there for what he should get.

    and I would trade him to either Cincy or Browns for their first rounder since they have two of them. Fix the oline with that pick and it wont matter who the hell the rb is
    This is what I been hinting at. One of the reasons for my saying this is a good time to pull the plug on the relationship is Forte's realistic market value is enhanced by the fact that this draft is weak in RB talent, but it's strong in other areas we need help or upgrades in. If this trade got us a DE like Coples AND an OG like DeCastro or Adams if we really think he could play LT because we had two choices to play with rather than having to choose it's something to consider.

    Forte is being disrespected far less than Alex Smith was by SF. Michael Bush is a younger and bigger version of MB III and there's plenty of room for both him and Forte because just like last year Bush will be used for a different purpose. Every successful running team uses two RB. NY had Jacobs to do the heavy work and Bradshaw the rest so where is this any different?

    IMO Matt Forte is beginning to get a little too sensitive about the Bears doing what they need to do to build a stronger offense AND protect themselves against HIS threatened hold out. HE'S the guy who hinted he may turn up missing when camp opens if they haven't cut a deal by then. The Bears didn't tell him not to bother to show up. I understand the risks he's talking but that's what the $7.7 mil is supposed to justify but apparently he doesn't see it that way.

    Personally I'm getting tried of the trauma-drama surrounding it. If he can't accept the offer then do what I suggested doing with Briggs. Put a price tag on him and let him and his agent go find a team with high picks who'll pay that price and pay him. I mean it should be easy right. Look at how many offers Mike Wallace has to turn down daily from all the teams standing in line to give up a first round pick for him. (sarcasm included at no extra cost)
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    I'm thinking browns might be desperate to give the fans something to come watch now that they missed on Flynn rg3

    Cinci might be too cheap to make a move lol

    It will be an interesting time leading up to the draft

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    Think we should all chill. The article below sounds more level headed and reasonable for what is going on.Impact of Michael Bush on Matt Forte - NFC North Blog - ESPN

    Impact of Michael Bush on Matt Forte

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    By Kevin Seifert


    A number of wild theories began circulating in the moments after the Chicago Bears announced a four-year contract agreement with running back Michael Bush. So let's do our best to sift through what the deal does -- and, just as importantly, doesn't -- mean.
    • Michael Bush

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      • Yds418
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    • Bush is the Bears' best attempt yet in finding a reliable backup to starter Matt Forte, one whose skills offer the team more complete coverage from the position. We've noted several times that Forte doesn't perform well in short-yardage and goal-to-goal situations. Last season, Bush scored seven touchdowns for the Oakland Raiders on goal-to-goal downs, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Chester Taylor failed as Forte's backup in 2010, and Marion Barber (2011) figures to follow him out the door shortly.
    • Bush got a nice contract that could top out at $14 million and includes $7 million guaranteed. That's better than backup money, but Bush is better than your standard backup. He started 19 games in four seasons with the Raiders.
    • That money suggests the Bears felt they needed protection against a possible holdout from Forte, who hasn't agreed to a long-term deal nor has he signed his franchise tender. We're a long way from that point, but mid-summer is not the time to start scrambling for insurance. The best options are available now.
    • Some of you might think Forte would be annoyed to see a third consecutive veteran walk into the door with a multi-year contract while he awaits one himself. It's true that Taylor ($7 million) earned more than him in 2010, as did Barber ($2.5) in 2011. This year, Bush's $7 million guarantee is close to the $7.74 million franchise tag that Forte will play under if he doesn't agree to a longer deal. But I think the Bears are willing to pay Forte more than his backup. Whether they are willing to pay him what he wants is another question.
    • Regardless, I don't think Bush's arrival will make Forte any more or less likely to hold out. He has a number he wants the Bears to get to. Will it make the Bears less likely to meet that number because they have Bush? They might want Forte to think so, but ultimately they know they need him in their lineup.
    • When you hear the name "Michael Bush," many of you think of the terrible broken leg he suffered in 2006 as a senior at Louisville. The injury required the insertion of a steel rod and essentially cost him two years of football. But since returning to the field in 2008, he has played in 61 out of a possible 64 games.
    • The Brandon Marshall trade will define the Bears' offseason, but no less impressive has been their determination to beef up depth with highly paid veterans. Bush is the most notable example, but it's worth pointing out that backup quarterback Jason Campbell will earn $3.4 million, while kick returner Eric Weems got a $1.5 million signing bonus on top of a $700,000 base salary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    For 1 year yes, but the last 4-5 contracts are MUCH greater then his FT. He's right.
    Nonsense. DWill's deal and the others have all averaged around $8 mil per year so what he's getting is in line with those deals. Where the stumbling block is an always has been in my estimation is what's being guaranteed and how it's guaranteed.

    Many of these high end deals are guaranteed for injury but not for a loss in productivity beyond a certain point. Teams who are being asked to guarantee up to 50% of a deal are covering their backsides against these guys slacking off once the get the big dollar deals.

    It's happened way too often and because of the cap rules surrounding signing bonuses which can create enormous amounts of "dead cap space" if a guy is cut or traded deals are being structured differently. More $$$ is going into "as earned" dollars and less into upfront cash. Look at how long we had to suffer with Benson before we were able to get rid of him without a huge cap hit. Teams like the Bears want to avoid that especially with a RB.
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