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The last reported offer was 13-14 mil. The Last Hub A had heard the moved it up to 500K-1Mil, meaning max of 15 mil. The assumption of the newest would be 17 or so since that is what 3years of the tag would be.
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I guess this "strong offer" wasn't strong according to Forte's camp. Where I come from...when a strong offer is made, we take it within 24hrs.
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Forte - Bush - Bell
that would be some sick depth
add Cutler with Marshall, Bennett and Davis and we have a good posibility of winning games because of the offense. I expect Cutlers numbers to come down a bit under Tice, but only the yards. QB Rating will be good, TDs will be thrown. Sacks will go down...
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Bush isn't Forte's replacement so the Bears can trade him.
#1 he is there because we need good depth at every position, even when we have elite starters.
#2 he is there so that if Forte holds out, it hurts HIM more than it hurts the Bears.
So Forte is in a pretty tough spot.....hold out, get fined, Bears can last a season with Bush but can Forte afford to hold out?
If he plays and waits til next season he will risk injury (like Knox) and even then he can be franchised for another year.
Even if the Bears were only offering him $6mil/year with $12mil guaranteed he doesn't have any good options.
And that's thanks to the CBA the players agreed on....I think this rule stinks but if the Bears don't take advantage of it other teams will, and we will be disadvantaged when it comes to cap space.
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Originally Posted by
BigBadPapaBear 
I guess this "strong offer" wasn't strong according to Forte's camp. Where I come from...when a strong offer is made, we take it within 24hrs.
Well, publicly the Bears can only say so many things. I have yet to see a team put out a PR saying that we made him a weak offer and think he should still take it, or we made an offer that was pretty much the same as the last one and think he should take it, so who knows what they actually offered.
What I do see from Forte is a propensity to want a top of the market offer so I don't doubt that they have made a fair offer at this time and that Forte is beinf unreasonable, but of course without any numbers none of us really know what is going on -- and even at that point it is going to be subjective.
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Where is that proprensity coming from? I haven't heard him say he wants top market value. I believe I have seen on this site that he has stated he doesn't expect AP money(top of the market); although that very well could have been wrong.
He honestly hasn't stated anything concrete, nor have the Bears. All we know is last year they low balled him(less guaranteed money then 3yrs of FT), this year the FT'd him and no one has given any indication of where offer stands now outside of the Bears saying an offer was made that was "strong" although that is subjective at best. To assign blame of the Bears being cheap this year, or Forte of having his head in the clouds is all baseless speculation.
Hub had it right, both groups are doing exactly what they should; the only mistake was Forte not holding out last year when he had the oppertunity. Other then that both have done what should be and can be done by both parties.
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Could just be me, but that's the vibes I'm getting.
Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 Where is that proprensity coming from? I haven't heard him say he wants top market value. I believe I have seen on this site that he has stated he doesn't expect AP money(top of the market); although that very well could have been wrong.
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Well FWIW here's what two years under the tag costs the Bears in guaranteed money; 2012 = $7.74 mil, 2013 = $9.29 mil so two years = $17.03 mil. It seems foolish to me not to put the guaranteed money somewhere in that neighborhood. Of course as it stands we don't know what the Bears think is foolishly high or Forte thinks is foolishly low.
I did an analysis of what backs like Arian Foster and Maurice Jones-Drew got in the way of their deals last year and this. These guys are both major components in their teams offense just like Forte so what he gets should fit in here somewhere. Both were 5 year deals with Foster getting $43.5 mil/$23.25 mil guaranteed and MJD getting $30.95 mil/$17.5 guaranteed.
My guess is the Bears are in the neighborhood of MJD's deal and Forte is still looking at Foster's and the one DWill got last year as his benchmark. Just a guess but I can't see what the Bears could hope to accomplish by offering much less than what MJD got and calling it a "strong offer". MJD and Forte even have the same agent.
I guess we'll just have to wait until one side of the other breaks their silence on the terms but BB Papa Bear makes a good point. If it was all he was looking for or all he figured he could get then why isn't a signing being announced? At some point in time one or the other side needs to get real. Forte has said he doesn't object to the tag as long as negotiations are ongoing and it seems to me that the Bears are being honorable on their part by keeping that alive. I'm interested to see what the response is other than the total silence on the issue so far.
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Here's some added comments Lovie about the Forte situation. It's a good outlook to have and made all that much better by the fact that there's great depth in the backfield. Few teams have this kind of a stable of RBs.
None of us are certain about where this latest "strong offer" stands vs Forte's expectations but one statement here is abundantly clear. If his demands exceed that which the Bears are willing to pay he will definitely need to lower them if he expects to settle this dispute.
The combination of his franchise tag and Bush and Bell as his backups give him no leverage at all right now and I don't think that leverage will increase over time. I think the Bears have prepared themselves to play without him far more effectively than he's prepared to play without them.
It may not be an extended deal but $7.74 mil is about as close to the top of what he can expect to earn annually from a long term deal as it gets no matter what team is writing the checks. DWill and Foster average about $8.6 mil per year with around $21-$22 mil guaranteed. MJD got around $6.7 mil per year with $17.5 mil guaranteed and here's the middle mark which is where I thought the Bears would most likely come in. Marshawn Lynch.
Marshawn Lynch
Running Back
Players: Drafted:Round 1 (#12 overall), 2007
College: California
Current Salary Information
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| Contract: 4 yr(s) / $31,000,000 | Signing Bonus $6,000,000 | Average Salary $7,750,000 | End Year: 2015 | Free Agent: 2016 / Unrestricted |
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| 2012 | 4,000,000 | 1,500,000 | - | 5,500,000 | | 2013 | 7,000,000 | 1,500,000 | - | 8,500,000 | | 2014 | 5,000,000 | 1,500,000 | 500,000 | 7,000,000 | | 2015 | 5,500,000 | 1,500,000 | 2,000,000 | 9,000,000 | | 2016 | UFA | - $17 million guaranteed (2012-13 salaries, signing bonus)
- Signing Bonus: $6 million
- Incentives (2014-15): $1 million for 1,500+ yards
- 2014 Roster Bonus: $500,000
- 2015 Roster Bonus: $2 million
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Arguably Forte's collective stats are better than Lynch's but Lynch struggled with injuries playing on a pretty lousy Buffalo team. Last year he turned his game around and rushed for 1200 yds. He's also scheduled to receive $9 mil of this deal in 2015 which he may never see if his production drops significantly. If so the deal averages only $7.3 mil over three years or a little more than what Frank Gore got on a four year deal.
If the Bears have made a 4 year offer close to this one if I were Matt Forte I would take it.
Lovie on upset Forte: 'It's not about one person'
- By Gregg Rosenthal NFL.com
- Around The League editor
- Published: March 28, 2012 at 09:45 a.m.
- Updated: March 29, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.
Lovie Smith has heard all about star running back Matt Forte's displeasure with the Chicago Bears signing running back Michael Bush. Smith doesn't sound too worried about it. (Although Smith doesn't ever sound too worried publicly. Or emote.)
"Right now, Matt Forte the football player has a problem with our organization. It's not about one person," Smith said Wednesday morning at the NFL Annual Meeting.
It's about the Bears, who have built one of the deepest backfields in the league. Bush is a great backup, and Kahlil Bell is one of the most promising No. 3 backs in the league. That gives the Bears great leverage in contract talks with Forte.
"I felt comfortable with Kahlil in the No. 2 role. But, it's about the strength in numbers," Smith said.
Those numbers include Forte's possible salary for 2012. The Bears are happy to pay him a salary as a franchise tag player. It makes sense from their perspective to go year-to-year at the game's most fungible position. Forte will have to lower his demands to get a long-term deal.
In the meantime, the Bears can survive a long, contentious holdout because they have depth at the position.
Last edited by soulman; 03-29-2012 at 07:20 PM.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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Again, I think both have played their positions right. I'd say JA played dirty pool last year lying to get Forte into camp. I think Forte was stupid for walking into camp last year w/out having an extension. But this year both have done what they should have.
If I'm forte I don't take a 4-5 year deal w/less guaranteed money then the 2-3 FT's the team can put on me. 4-5 years he won't be able to get another deal, 2-3 years from now he might be able to; and he'll walk away w/eqaual to or more money. Knox aside, most NFL players don't end up w/a career ending/crippling injury. As for the Bears, they can tag him 2-3 times then let him walk into FA and test the market. If he does get hurt this or next year, you didn't lose any extra guarantees. Come contract time if he is healthy, they can either beat the other teams offer(ala briggs) or they can let him walk(ala benson).
If I'm Forte, I might sit out a 3-4-5 weeks regardless of how the team is doing; it would limit the carries and the hits; allowing him to be fresh, and if Bush or Bell goes down, he regains negotiating strength too. That's business, it's what the Bears did bringining in Bush, no reason to hate Forte for doing the same.
If I'm the Bears I make sure the offer we gave is right in line w/what the other rb's are getting to make sure that doesn't happen.
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