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Originally Posted by
jackiejokeman 
Soul we were sixth against the run ... twentyeighth against the pass.
I think you would have to give our beloved DL and LB credit for ONE thing from last season.
They know their shit.
It's the secondary Soul.
AND ...
an OFFENSE ...that last year was beat up, throwing players under the bus with no rep time,
and keeping the D on the field too much.
You think Tebow would have beat us with a class A OL to keep him off the field?
Thanks to angelo our OL is/was the laughing stock of the laughing stock.
Every brain dead anaylist knew that ....
YEAR AFTER MOTHERFUCKING YEAR.
We owe Cutler to START building him an OL.
I dont care if they cant start DAY ONE ...
But DAY TWO on the other hand ....
But it's not the secondary jackie. We play a soft zone defense and if you give any good passing team time against it receivers will find the openings in it and good QB's will find the receivers. That's just how it is.
Time after time you'll hear Lovie quote chapter and verse on how our pass defense is driven off of the pass rush and where we lacked in that area last year was another DE to match up with Pep. The inside pass rush did well. Thirteen sacks came for the DTs and ten or eleven from Pep but there were only 5 or 6 from the other DEs including Izzy.
That's not enough when you consider that Jared Allen had 22 all by himself and Jason Babin had 18 all by himself. We should be getting a minimum of 25 from our edge rushers and to do that we need another guy who can contribute double digit sacks. When that happens Pep will get a few more too. Gotta have another DE who can give us at least 8-10 sacks and consistent pressure off the edge to take some of the load off Pep. It's a must for the pass defense to improve. You aren't gonna do it with just one more CB who covers better than Jennings. He's not that bad a ball player.
Once Cutler started paying his game instead of Martz's the offense improved by leaps and bounds. By the time he went down we were playing without our two best lineman, we had at least two guys playing out of position covering for them and we still ran the ball well. We just couldn't muster a passing attack behind Hanie.
This year we have those two missing pieces of the line back, the line has had more experience playing with one another and a whole offseason to improve. Bush gives us a much better goaline and short yardage back, and in the event Cutler gets injured we have a legit backup to take his place. History does not repeat itself in the same way it did last year.
We lost the Bronco game on a huge mental mistake by Barber or Tebow would never have gotten back on the field and tied that game. We were driving for a score when Barber also fumbled the ball away in OT which is what cost us the win. It had zip to do with the Oline. Barber also cost us the Oakland game when he lined up improperly and cost us the winning TD. Can't blame Hanie or the Oline for either of those mistakes by a vet who should have known better. Barber is gone and we upgraded with Bush.
We will start upgrading the line but all you can do is add about one guy to the bunch this year and if he's a rookie it's 50-50 or less that he's even a starter. Maybe an OG/OT taken in the 1st or 2nd round and that may happen but that's only 50-50 too. We aren't gonna spend two high draft picks on guys who are gonna sit for a year or two years before they play.
There is no other place on a football team that requires more coordination than run and pass blocking. No matter how talented the players are they still need time to develop that and the only way you get it is by playing together. The line improved last year over the year before and as the year progressed even without their two best lineman. Just getting those guys back is like adding a first round OT pick and a vet OG signing so the line already needs to re-adapt to Carimi and CWill returning. If we added a stud OG/OT he might win a starting spot or he might not.
This draft has some very good prospects at OG so I'm in favor of taking one somewhere in the first two days of the draft but that's as far as you go. It's the same with another WR. Why spend high picks on guys who can't help much in 2012 when there are spots to be filled that do need help. The only lineman who was truly bad was Webb, it's unlikely he'll get worse and there's still the possibility to replacing him with Carimi or CWill. Other than that there are no other solutions even in the draft. The guys who might help at OT probably won't be on the board when we pick.
I expect Emery to do what he can to begin upgrading the line but that's a process not a one year event.
Last edited by soulman; 03-30-2012 at 05:22 AM.
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Soul,
I would still like to see offense be the primary picks of the first two rounds.
If Floyd is the real deal we would be nuts to pass on him with our first.
Still want to see OL in the second ... an issue ignored during the angelo years.
DeCastro intrigues me ... if he is what they say he is ... a ten year starter,
is Emery the kind to make a move to get him?
What to do with the third round ... I'd go CB/S just because of the 28th ranked secondary.
I'd also see whats cooking when it comes to TE ... and more OL.
From the fourth until the end would be defense territory.
RICHARD DENT ... was an eighth round draft pick.
A round which no longer exists.
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I just hope we get our pass rusher. Believe it or not, Pep is aging. We can't expect to just draft a replacement for him and the draftee be able to replace him immediately. I'd prefer not to have to buy another one in FA either. I'd be okay with Mercilus. Well, by okay I mean we drafted for value and position, which is good and he comes from the U of I and he could be seriously great. So yeah, I guess I'd be okay with that. We'll look like fools in the future for drafting him if he doesn't pan out though. I trust Emery though.
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Originally Posted by
Zelezo Vlk I just hope we get our pass rusher. Believe it or not, Pep is aging. We can't expect to just draft a replacement for him and the draftee be able to replace him immediately. I'd prefer not to have to buy another one in FA either. I'd be okay with Mercilus. Well, by okay I mean we drafted for value and position, which is good and he comes from the U of I and he could be seriously great. So yeah, I guess I'd be okay with that. We'll look like fools in the future for drafting him if he doesn't pan out though. I trust Emery though.
With the signings so far and giving Toub his say with Weems and Thomas ... I trust Emery also.
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Originally Posted by
jackiejokeman Soul,
I would still like to see offense be the primary picks of the first two rounds.
If Floyd is the real deal we would be nuts to pass on him with our first.
Still want to see OL in the second ... an issue ignored during the angelo years.
DeCastro intrigues me ... if he is what they say he is ... a ten year starter,
is Emery the kind to make a move to get him?
What to do with the third round ... I'd go CB/S just because of the 28th ranked secondary.
I'd also see whats cooking when it comes to TE ... and more OL.
From the fourth until the end would be defense territory.
RICHARD DENT ... was an eighth round draft pick.
A round which no longer exists.
If there were a surefire Richard Dent v2.0 buried in the bottom of the draft that would be phenomenal. Of course, the chances of that are astronomically small. I also think those here who are still holding out hope for Floyd or Wright are going to be very disappointed. The Bears have already well telegraphed what their #1 remaining priority is: A PASSRUSHER. Emery didn't risk breaking the bank for Mario just because he likes collecting players named "Williams". He also didn't turn immediately to Plan B in Mincey because it was ONLY about Mario. The teams 2 biggest needs this offseason (yes, I know there are others, but these are the two biggest) were a #1WR and a DE. Emery almost got both in one fell swoop. He did get one and did it very well.
Unless there's some very strange and unexpected order of player selections in the first 15 or so, I would be amazed if our first pick (trade up, trade down, or stay put) was not a passrusher. That is what is should be as well. There are some good options up top but not beyond that. I doubt if even Branch is going to make it all the way to 50 and he's not the high-ceiling player that Mercilus is.
FA was 99% offense. I expect the draft to be mostly defense...as it should be. I could see grabbing a WR prospect (no earlier than 3rd IMO), but boy we definitely need a DE, a CB, LB depth, and maybe a S.
As far as OL goes, I sympathize with your argument even though the team doesn't seem to. I would like to add one player to develop somewhere in the draft (Mosley in the 4th?). I'm assuming that DeCastro won't get anywhere near #19 and otherwise it makes little sense to take one high up unless Zeitler falls to 50 IMO.
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Originally Posted by
Zelezo Vlk I just hope we get our pass rusher. Believe it or not, Pep is aging. We can't expect to just draft a replacement for him and the draftee be able to replace him immediately. I'd prefer not to have to buy another one in FA either. I'd be okay with Mercilus. Well, by okay I mean we drafted for value and position, which is good and he comes from the U of I and he could be seriously great. So yeah, I guess I'd be okay with that. We'll look like fools in the future for drafting him if he doesn't pan out though. I trust Emery though.
We have youth inside but age outside on the DL. Pep and Izzy are both over 30 and Wooten hasn't even shown he can stay healthy. Now is the time to get a young DE who can learn the ropes in rotation with Izzy stuffing runs this year.
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What good is any DEFENSE ... if Cutler is on the ground staring at sky?
You gotta get him OFFENSE ... WR ... OL ... in the draft.
The whole team is built around this situation.
Cutler on the ground means your DEFENSE is GASSED ...
to make up for the fact that you didnt pay any attention to the OFFENSE,
when you know thats been the problem for YEARS.
CUTLER being punished means the DEFENSE gets punished.
Give the lad a chance. 
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DE is a need and to me it's a coin flip of BPA on who to take in the first. It's a given the D is predicated on the front four and the DE's are old.
The OL however improved still needs much work. I liken it to a woman who dumped the guy who beat her upgrading to a douchebag. It's an improvement but relatively speaking still needs work.
It depends on how can you mitigate each problem. Do you draft OL to help the clock and score points to not have to rely on defense as much or do you draft defense as we've done the past many years?
I think I"ll go with a potential paradigm shift that Emery brings and draft OL first hypothetically speaking. Barring some great BPA falling into our laps.
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Originally Posted by
short faced bear DE is a need and to me it's a coin flip of BPA on who to take in the first. It's a given the D is predicated on the front four and the DE's are old.
The OL however improved still needs much work. I liken it to a woman who dumped the guy who beat her upgrading to a douchebag. It's an improvement but relatively speaking still needs work.
It depends on how can you mitigate each problem. Do you draft OL to help the clock and score points to not have to rely on defense as much or do you draft defense as we've done the past many years?
I think I"ll go with a potential paradigm shift that Emery brings and draft OL first hypothetically speaking. Barring some great BPA falling into our laps.
I dont like the fact that the NYG's treat CUTLER as a NON-FACTOR as they plant their big fat asses on him.
Knocking him out of the game ... and then those shitheels go on to win a SUPERBOWL.
Cutler was in that situation because the past regime drafted midgets at WR ...
and the idea of drafting OL was every son of a bitch that started out on I.R.
And then when they came back to play ... they were played out of position ...
because they couldnt play their fucking position they were drafted for.
What happened to Cutler was a SIN. Emery ... so far ...has seen the neglect of the past regime.
And addressed some issues. Lets hope he stays focused.
But goddammit man ... Marshall, and if we get Floyd ... fuckin motherfuckin aye!
You get us an OL with the second ... a stud that can be there for ten years ...
dude we are on our way with maybe the last RB backfield in Forte - Bush - Bell.
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I think were opperating under the belief that Flyod will be off the board at
If he is the whole draft plan goes out the window and we take him
If hes gone as expected we prolly waste the pick on Mercilious (sp)
Hope im wromg about him but rackimg up sacks against northwestern and indiana is great and all but is meaningless in the nfl imo
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