Thread: OL: Change of Scheme, not Personnel?

Originally Posted by motownbear

Tice is using pixy dust from a high end store from now on instead of the cheap shit he used last year he got from wal mart

Thank you, This talk about cohesion is f'n bullshit . It's about whether or not your guys are good enough ..... plain and simple. And our guys AREN'T !!!!!!
Ya'll go on accepting the BS. I been choking on it for years and I'm tired of it. Lovie can keep selecting his guys for the D - it'll be his ticket out of town .

Originally Posted by short faced bear

Soul I'm w/you all the way to "cohesion". If there is talent and they perform well that supersedes cohesion. Don't get me wrong it's a important element but then again so was Kreutz and that vaunted "leadership". Yep it matters too but I'd put talent and technique at the top of the list.

If we get say a Konz or Zeitler I'm a happy camper

Shorty in order for any line to perform well, even one made up of 5 All Pros there has to be cohesion. That supersedes even raw talent. No other unit on the field save a QB and his receivers needs more coordination of their efforts than an Oline.

Leadership comes from experience and time on duty and on this line Garza proved himself very capable in that regard. I have no worries in that regard and if we don't draft a younger prospect at OC I believe Spencer can do the job if called on. He appears to have bettered himself playing in Chicago.

If the Bears feel they can afford to use a 2nd or 3rd round pick on an OG that's fine with me. We could use another OT more but that's not where the rookie Oline talent is deepest this year so that may take a backseat for another year and we play with what we have. No sense doing something just to do it if it won't improve upon what you have.

I'll just say what several observers I respect are also saying. The Bears spend a lot of money upgrading the offense in FA. Over $20 mil of 2012 new cap money was spent on QB, RB, WR and TE positions not to mention the $4 mil in 2012 cap spent on extending Bennett. In total over $25 mil out of a $120 mil 2012 cap (21%) has already been spent to acquire new talent or retain current talent at offensive skill positions alone. That's $25 mil of new $$$.

We still have a number of holes on the defense yet to fill all of which will probably need to be filled in the draft because the top FA's at those positions have proven unaffordable. We will need a pass rusher, a CB, a Safety and some depth and youth at LB and we already traded away one mid round pick for Marshall. Out of those 4 positions we need at least two solid rotational starters and it's tough to find that kind of talent past the top 100 guys drafted.

There's always a chance we could trade down and pickup another top 100 pick but if we don't I think that after picking a pass rusher as a need pick any offensive picks will need to compete with the defense as far as filling those remaining gaps. There's always a chance we do a little more in FA but the cap bank account has dwindled
as has any talent that could be of much help.

Somtimes I think we forget that despite our 2011 record this team isn't exactly devoid of talent so signing a DE like a Frosty Rucker isn't an upgrade in our case. We fixed a lot of offensive holes so far and now we need to give a once over to the defense to see what we can get done there.

Originally Posted by soulman

Shorty in order for any line to perform well, even one made up of 5 All Pros there has to be cohesion. That supersedes even raw talent. No other unit on the field save a QB and his receivers needs more coordination of their efforts than an Oline.

Leadership comes from experience and time on duty and on this line Garza proved himself very capable in that regard. I have no worries in that regard and if we don't draft a younger prospect at OC I believe Spencer can do the job if called on. He appears to have bettered himself playing in Chicago.

If the Bears feel they can afford to use a 2nd or 3rd round pick on an OG that's fine with me. We could use another OT more but that's not where the rookie Oline talent is deepest this year so that may take a backseat for another year and we play with what we have. No sense doing something just to do it if it won't improve upon what you have.

I'll just say what several observers I respect are also saying. The Bears spend a lot of money upgrading the offense in FA. Over $20 mil of 2012 new cap money was spent on QB, RB, WR and TE positions not to mention the $4 mil in 2012 cap spent on extending Bennett. In total over $25 mil out of a $120 mil 2012 cap (21%) has already been spent to acquire new talent or retain current talent at offensive skill positions alone. That's $25 mil of new $$$.

We still have a number of holes on the defense yet to fill all of which will probably need to be filled in the draft because the top FA's at those positions have proven unaffordable. We will need a pass rusher, a CB, a Safety and some depth and youth at LB and we already traded away one mid round pick for Marshall. Out of those 4 positions we need at least two solid rotational starters and it's tough to find that kind of talent past the top 100 guys drafted.

There's always a chance we could trade down and pickup another top 100 pick but if we don't I think that after picking a pass rusher as a need pick any offensive picks will need to compete with the defense as far as filling those remaining gaps. There's always a chance we do a little more in FA but the cap bank account has dwindled
as has any talent that could be of much help.

Somtimes I think we forget that despite our 2011 record this team isn't exactly devoid of talent so signing a DE like a Frosty Rucker isn't an upgrade in our case. We fixed a lot of offensive holes so far and now we need to give a once over to the defense to see what we can get done there.

Basically we have 1 ( one ) different starter on O now with the signing of Marshall - with no changes in an O-line that was and is still suspect. So this we've FIXED the O enough stuff sounds like garbage to me. Done.

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

IE a lot less 5-7 step drops and a lot more role outs and audibles. Those will help w/the OL giving up hits on our QB. It won't help the lack of consistant DL in the backfield during run plays, but The RB's tend to be good enough to avoid most of those to at least get back to the line.

I'm of the opinion that most positions on this team(outside QB/RB) need upgraded, if for no other reason depth. The OL is right up there w/needing talent and improvement. Webb is garbage, Spencer/Garza are out of position. Cramini is an unkown factor b/c of his inj. CWill is starting to get a case of the injury bugs so he cannot be relied on for a full 16 games yet. No one's position on this team should be safe except for Cutler, Forte and Marshal, Peppers and Urlacher.

A lower number of 7 step drops sounds right. But I'll bet my entire B-bucks bank right now that there are still gonna be alot of 5 step drops ( unless the Bears are planning on doing nothing but quick outs ). So they're still gonna have to block a substantial number of these types of plays, if the Bears are going to actually make some use of the long game. And the Oline is still suspect in this dept until they prove otherwise.
So I'm hoping they go O in the 1st rd whether it's a WR or OL.

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Ya there will be but when the calls are 3 to 5 step drops and not 5-7 step drops it keeps the D pressure off your qb a lot more. Cutler will still get hit on the 5's, but instead of mostly 7's your going to have mostly 5's and a lot of 3's thrown in there to, too limit those hits....and the role outs will also help...as will the audibles.

no doubt it's suspect.

It should be a little better I agree , but we're still ignoring the fact that they need to improve their run blocking also.

They just need to improve period. I'm just wondering how many years we need to be expected to wait for it .