Thread: NFP's look at possible Bears 1st round options

Julius Peppers 6'7" 287 lbs. went to North Carolina
Quinton Coples 6'6" 285 lbs. went to North Carolina


I don't think there's a choice, he was made to be mentored by Pep.

Originally Posted by motownbear

all i want with my first rounder is someone to contribute anywhere on the team. I dont want to get a DE that ends up just being a situational guy you can get that later on. If we go DE I want a guy who could be that every down guy. Same with other positions I dont want a wr that is a slot guy that would be a waste. I want oline that isnt there just to "compete" I want a guy who will come in and take over. I dont want to draft a mlb to rot behind Urlacher for a few years I would want one that could play somewhere from day one and so on and so on and so on. Im not fixated on one position with our first pick Im more fixated on guys who can get us over the hump from day one

Originally Posted by Bear Goggles

Julius Peppers 6'7" 287 lbs. went to North Carolina
Quinton Coples 6'6" 285 lbs. went to North Carolina


I don't think there's a choice, he was made to be mentored by Pep.

Coples would be a great choice if Marinelli can get the guy motivated to play like Pep plays. That's his only weakness. He doesn't give 100% all the time whereas Mercilus is a high motor guy but without Colpes size and ability to dominate. I'd take either of them but it still seems to me unlikely that Coples will fall to #19.

Mo, any guy we draft will be part of a rotation this year. Even Coples wouldn't play full time. I agree with you that whoever we draft needs to be a major contributor n 2012 but any Dline guy we take will be in a rotation because that's the way we do it.

No rookie DE is gonna take over completely from either Pep or Izzy and if we take a DE/DT like Fletcher Cox it's gonna be the same. One reason I'm opposed to taking a WR in the first is that I don't see him taking over the #2 spot from Bennett right out of the gate. We're not paying him $4 mil to sit. About the only guy I could see as an every down first year players is an OG like DeCastro which is why I've said if he's there you don't pass on him. he's that good.

Other than an Olineman I can see only one other position where it's likely a number one pick would step in as an immediate starter and that's at SLB if we drafted Kuechly which isn't out of the question but not likely. Any other position would be sharing time with a vet but the biggest impact spot we could draft would probably be a pass rusher.

I just don't see how another WR benefits us all that much more as far as being an immediate contributor. Not when we have Marshall, Bennett and Hester in the mix at WR, Davis at TE, and backs like those we have who are good receivers out of the backfield and a guy like Forte who we can even flank outside of the backfield and use effectively. You just don't see all that many WR's being that productive as rookies so drafting one as high as number one seems to defeat the purpose of an immediate contributor as far as I can see.

Originally Posted by soulman

Coples would be a great choice if Marinelli can get the guy motivated to play like Pep plays. That's his only weakness. He doesn't give 100% all the time whereas Mercilus is a high motor guy but without Colpes size and ability to dominate. I'd take either of them but it still seems to me unlikely that Coples will fall to #19.

Allow me to adjust my statement:

Julius Peppers 6'7" 287 lbs. went to North Carolina (supposedly takes plays off)
Quinton Coples 6'6" 285 lbs. went to North Carolina (supposedly takes plays off)

Hope he's around at 19 Bears could get a younger Pep that Pep could mentor into Pep.

Originally Posted by Bear Goggles

Allow me to adjust my statement:

Julius Peppers 6'7" 287 lbs. went to North Carolina (supposedly takes plays off)
Quinton Coples 6'6" 285 lbs. went to North Carolina (supposedly takes plays off)

Hope he's around at 19 Bears could get a younger Pep that Pep could mentor into Pep.

No argument from me there kegger. When Coples strapped up and got after it in the Senior Bowl the guys was a monster. There's no way to make Mercilus that much bigger but there are kinds of ways to make Coples more effective and playing with a guy like Pep has to help.

If Coples is still on the board he'd be really hard to pass up. Guys with his size and natural ability don't come around every draft. Some guys have him dropping that far and what I was implying is that if he does that rep would most likely be the reason. Coples, Mercilus, and Perry and any one of those three could help out day one.

Originally Posted by WindyCity

At 19 Coples is a must pick as you simply do not get talent like him close to 20.

The real question is where do the Bears have Mercilus and Perry ranked in comparison to the rest of the draft.

Melvin Ingram, scares the crap out of me with his size and his ability to play the run against the RTs of the NFL.

Courtney Upshaw, he is small, not that athletic and borderline retarded.

We'll know that first day a little more than half way through the day and probably not before, LOL.

Let me make one statement to clarify my feelings on the first round.

I have no problems with the Bears taking an offensive lineman as long as it's part of an overall plan to immediately better the line. To me there are just two potential picks who could do that. One is David DeCastro and the other is Mike Adams. It's unlikely that either would be on the board at #19 but if either is there then I'd think Emery might re-evaluate taking a DE.

DeCastro is a virtual must because his overall ranking in the draft is in everyone's top 5. This kid carries a can't miss ranking that many OT's don't even carry. No matter what you can use a kid like this even if you need to shuffle the deck on the line. This is what Tice was talking about when he mentioned taking an Olineman if one fell into our laps and that would be a very lucky fall.

I'm less convinced that Adams should be taken over a DE and I guess much of that would depend on who the DE was that I was deciding on. But if one of my top two guys wasn't there then if it comes down to the 3rd best DE and the 3rd best OT it becomes a tossup. IF I take Adams then I have to have some plan to replace Webb with either him or Carimi and I'd better be certain that one of them can out play Webb at LT because I'm not sitting any first round pick behind him even in year one which in effect it would be for either Adams or Carimi.

The Wild Card pick in here is a DE/DT like Fletcher Cox who may be in play if we aren't able to keep Okoye. He's more of a 3t DT but much like Melton could probably be an effective edge rusher at need. He fits in with Mercilus and Perry as a first round pick and before the second round rated guys like Branch and Curry, etc.

I would not take a WR at #19 unless all other options were extinguished, I would not pass on one of my DE picks for any other Olineman but the two I listed and under the circumstances I listed and I would not under any circumstances whatsoever draft a TE anywhere in the first round or even during the first two days of the draft if at all. This year that would be a wasted pick.