Emery Analysis from another site.

This was from a different site, but I thought it was really interesting.

Looking through some draft historues of Phil Emery with Atlanta and Kansas City where he was the director of scouting has thrown a few pretty common trends out at me.

The first is that he loves to draft WR's, DT's and CB's early on in the draft, specifically in the first two rounds. This changed his first couple of years in KC, but the second of that is more likely to be Pioli's doing (Jackson pick)

If you look from 2004-2007 drafts at the Falcons took the following players in the first two rounds;

DeAngelo Hall - 1st - CB - Virginia Tech
Michael Jenkins - 1st - WR - Ohio State
Roddy White - 1st - WR - UAB
Jonathan Babineaux - 2nd - DT - Iowa
Jimmy F. Williams - 2nd - CB - Virginia Tech
Jamaal Anderson - 1st - DE - Arkansas
Justin Blalock - 2nd - OG - Texas
Chris Houston - 2nd - CB - Arkansas

And then from 2008-2011 at KC.

Glenn Dorsey - DT - 1st - LSU
Brandon Albert - OT - 1st - Virginia
Brandon Flowers - CB - 2nd - Virginia Tech
Tyson Jackson - DE/DT - 1st - LSU
Eric Berry - S - 1st - Tennessee
Dexter McCluster - RB/WR - 2nd - Ole Miss
Javier Arenas - CB - 2nd - Alabama
Jonathan Baldwin - WR - 1st - Pittsburgh
Rodney Hudson - OG - 2nd - Florida State

Eight of his Seventeen first and second round picks have been WR's or CB's. Three more were DT's, three more were on the offensive line.

McCluster, Berry and Anderson are the exceptions to CB/WR/OL/DT.

Second is that he love to stay east, the ACC and SEC and favorites and the Big East, Big 10 and Big 12 are next.

Third, he love Virginia Tech corners, three drafted in the first two rounds. Expect Jayron Hosley on the Bears in 2012.

He tends to like size/speed receivers, Baldwin, White, and Jenkins are all bigger in frame, Jenkins and Baldwin are both 6-4 and White at 6-1 is the smallest, but was very thick at 207-212 depending on where you look.

Stephen Hill and Rueben Randle both fit the bigger receiver and ACC/SEC trends as well as taking an early round WR.

As of right now I think Hill/Hosley are going to be the first.second round pick combo for the Bears.

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Originally Posted by WindyCity

This was from a different site, but I thought it was really interesting.

Looking through some draft historues of Phil Emery with Atlanta and Kansas City where he was the director of scouting has thrown a few pretty common trends out at me.

The first is that he loves to draft WR's, DT's and CB's early on in the draft, specifically in the first two rounds. This changed his first couple of years in KC, but the second of that is more likely to be Pioli's doing (Jackson pick)

If you look from 2004-2007 drafts at the Falcons took the following players in the first two rounds;

DeAngelo Hall - 1st - CB - Virginia Tech
Michael Jenkins - 1st - WR - Ohio State
Roddy White - 1st - WR - UAB
Jonathan Babineaux - 2nd - DT - Iowa
Jimmy F. Williams - 2nd - CB - Virginia Tech
Jamaal Anderson - 1st - DE - Arkansas
Justin Blalock - 2nd - OG - Texas
Chris Houston - 2nd - CB - Arkansas

And then from 2008-2011 at KC.

Glenn Dorsey - DT - 1st - LSU
Brandon Albert - OT - 1st - Virginia
Brandon Flowers - CB - 2nd - Virginia Tech
Tyson Jackson - DE/DT - 1st - LSU
Eric Berry - S - 1st - Tennessee
Dexter McCluster - RB/WR - 2nd - Ole Miss
Javier Arenas - CB - 2nd - Alabama
Jonathan Baldwin - WR - 1st - Pittsburgh
Rodney Hudson - OG - 2nd - Florida State

Eight of his Seventeen first and second round picks have been WR's or CB's. Three more were DT's, three more were on the offensive line.

McCluster, Berry and Anderson are the exceptions to CB/WR/OL/DT.

Second is that he love to stay east, the ACC and SEC and favorites and the Big East, Big 10 and Big 12 are next.

Third, he love Virginia Tech corners, three drafted in the first two rounds. Expect Jayron Hosley on the Bears in 2012.

He tends to like size/speed receivers, Baldwin, White, and Jenkins are all bigger in frame, Jenkins and Baldwin are both 6-4 and White at 6-1 is the smallest, but was very thick at 207-212 depending on where you look.

Stephen Hill and Rueben Randle both fit the bigger receiver and ACC/SEC trends as well as taking an early round WR.

As of right now I think Hill/Hosley are going to be the first.second round pick combo for the Bears.

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Man that would be a horrible start for us given that DL, OL, and maybe LB are all far more important needs. That would completely change my very positive impression of Emery thus far.

I'm sure that he scouted and the draft was based on need. Did the Falcons play the Tampa 2? Because I know that the Chiefs are a 3-4 Team.

That's an interesting analysis. I guess we'll know soon enough what Emery sees as the areas that need to be filled right away. At this point I'm opne to anything, but I really would prefer that Emery draft guys that are going to be immediate contributors, not guys that care going to be pay dividends in about 3 years. Please no projects Emery. We have a defense that isn't getting any younger.

Thanks a bunch for this. I too hope the Bears don't go with a corner in the top two picks. Wide receiver makes a little more sense maybe in the 2nd round at best, but they need to address some glaring needs on both the offensive and defensive lines first and foremost. I also agree with MPBears68 that Emery should address the linebackers as well. We still need at least one more receiver, and depth at cornerback, but there seems to be good depth on both lines early in this draft, so that should be the focus.

I don't understand why people are clinging to this "WR in the 1st" mentality. There are lots of players we could draft in the 1st we need who would be far wiser picks than Hill or Wright. Hill has zero chance of impacting right away (even assuming he doesn't bust altogether) and we already have slot weapons so Wright is superfluous. We don't need a WR before round 3 at minimum and 2 of our first 3 picks should be defense.

We have 2 DEs over 30 and only 1 is a pass rush threat. We are also thin inside after losing Okoye. Then of course we could use some youth at LB and there's some quality OL guys who could upgrade us as well. So....barring some very bizarre scenario...going WR and CB in the first two picks makes zero sense to me. Jmo

Well scouting for Atlanta, a Southeastern team, I would have expected them to pick some guys from that area. It's even less of a surprise because of the strength of those two conferences (SEC and ACC) in general. We also from what he said that he was instrumental in the selection of Roddy White. (Shrug) So Atlanta wanted or needed WR and he was instrumental in convincing then to take. That's the only pick we're sure he was instrumental in.

He was a director of scouting and not the GM so those picks were not necessarily his. In fact we had lots of discussions about this before we was hired and quite a few expressed same disappointment in some of those picks and others, like myself, were quick to point out that we had no idea whether or not those were guys he picked all we knew is that he contributed his opinion and that's still all we know.

Windy you're hazarding a guess based on his past work as a scoutmaster for two team that are very different than the Bears and who have and probably had different needs. I think we can gain some insight about the caliber of the players who were picked by I don't get any strong sense that his moves as a Chicago GM will have all that much to do with what those teams did. He didn't make those picks.

This process of extrapolation isn't a very accurate one when it's used in this manner. It's a bit like saying a RB will gain 2000 yards for the season because he gained 500 his first four games. That's extrapolation and it's not a very good predictor of an outcome with as may variables as a RB's yardage or who a GM will pick in the first two rounds out of 100 qualified prospects. It's a nice bit of research but I don't think you an draw accurate conclusions from that. Not enough data with this team. Now if was Angelo you were doing this research on relative to the Bears I'd say it had more creedence but Emery is an unknown. That's pretty much why even the gurus have no accurate idea of he'll take.

Sorry Windy but educated guesses based upon what was and wasn't done in FA will tell you far more about what he's likely to do than this will.

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Originally Posted by MPBears68

I don't understand why people are clinging to this "WR in the 1st" mentality. There are lots of players we could draft in the 1st we need who would be far wiser picks than Hill or Wright. Hill has zero chance of impacting right away (even assuming he doesn't bust altogether) and we already have slot weapons so Wright is superfluous. We don't need a WR before round 3 at minimum and 2 of our first 3 picks should be defense.

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Should we conduct a scientific poll you and I? I would like that poll to ask this simple question.

How many of you who believe the Bears first pick should be an offensive player and how many think our second pick should also be an offensive player. How may of you also play Fantasy Football???

MP have you ever noticed how the Maddenites and Fantasy Football guys seem to ask for offensive might above all else. Is it because they tired of putting non-Bears on their Fantasy Teams and figure the more Bears offensive guys they have to choose from the better?

Here's a team that just spent nearly $25 mil in new cap $$$ restocking the offense with better talent and depth and we have another $7.74 mil swinging in the wind while we wait for our star RB to decide what he wants to do this year.

By my numbers that's almost $33 mil (27.5%) of entire 2012 cap spent improving an/or maintaining a level of excellence on the offensive side of the ball. Yet these same guys are still clamoring for more offensive skill players at positions like WR and TE. I guess Brandon Marshall isn't enough for you guys huh you greedy bastards! :4_2_204v[1]: :36_12_2[1]:

:lol-027:

There is still one FA WR that no one is talking about because he can be a big pain but he wouldn't cost much and would let us draft other needs then WR this year. TO. Don't know if BM and TO could work together.

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Originally Posted by soulman

Well scouting for Atlanta, a Southeastern team, I would have expected them to pick some guys from that area. It's even less of a surprise because of the strength of those two conferences (SEC and ACC) in general. We also from what he said that he was instrumental in the selection of Roddy White. (Shrug) So Atlanta wanted or needed WR and he was instrumental in convincing then to take. That's the only pick we're sure he was instrumental in.

He was a director of scouting and not the GM so those picks were not necessarily his. In fact we had lots of discussions about this before we was hired and quite a few expressed same disappointment in some of those picks and others, like myself, were quick to point out that we had no idea whether or not those were guys he picked all we knew is that he contributed his opinion and that's still all we know.

Windy you're hazarding a guess based on his past work as a scoutmaster for two team that are very different than the Bears and who have and probably had different needs. I think we can gain some insight about the caliber of the players who were picked by I don't get any strong sense that his moves as a Chicago GM will have all that much to do with what those teams did. He didn't make those picks.

This process of extrapolation isn't a very accurate one when it's used in this manner. It's a bit like saying a RB will gain 2000 yards for the season because he gained 500 his first four games. That's extrapolation and it's not a very good predictor of an outcome with as may variables as a RB's yardage or who a GM will pick in the first two rounds out of 100 qualified prospects. It's a nice bit of research but I don't think you an draw accurate conclusions from that. Not enough data with this team. Now if was Angelo you were doing this research on relative to the Bears I'd say it had more creedence but Emery is an unknown. That's pretty much why even the gurus have no accurate idea of he'll take.

Sorry Windy but educated guesses based upon what was and wasn't done in FA will tell you far more about what he's likely to do than this will.

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This is not my analysis it was from another site.

I think that the Bears will address DE and WR in the 1st 2 rounds of the draft. I do not know in what order I am sure that depends on what is going with the picks ahead of them.

But if I had to hazard a guess it would be the draft going,

1. DE/WR
2. WR/DE
3. CB
4. OG
5. LB
6. S
7. LB/DE

This is just me reading the tea leaves.