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    Webb, and overall LT position official thread

    This comes up in almost every thread so I wanted to make it its own.

    I want options in camp this was always our problem is that we have never really had options with our o line not just give up on a young Webb but dont go all in with him

    I dont think Webb is hopless but we need competition and another option

    My personal favorite is to draft Zeilter in 2 OR konz on a trade down to net a pick or 2 more

    If Zeilter: let him and lewis compete for G and move CWill to compete for LT (why we drafted him)

    Konz: let him start at C bumping Garza back to his true spot at G and again CWill and and Webb fight for LT


    Notethat if reitif (sp) falls to 19 then we throw out our draft plans take him and hes our LT competition

    Not having a true "franchise" LT is kinda like having a revolving door at qb or mlb we need consistancy and quality

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzblue View Post
    This comes up in almost every thread so I wanted to make it its own.

    I want options in camp this was always our problem is that we have never really had options with our o line not just give up on a young Webb but dont go all in with him

    I dont think Webb is hopless but we need competition and another option

    My personal favorite is to draft Zeilter in 2 OR konz on a trade down to net a pick or 2 more

    If Zeilter: let him and lewis compete for G and move CWill to compete for LT (why we drafted him)

    Konz: let him start at C bumping Garza back to his true spot at G and again CWill and and Webb fight for LT


    Notethat if reitif (sp) falls to 19 then we throw out our draft plans take him and hes our LT competition

    Not having a true "franchise" LT is kinda like having a revolving door at qb or mlb we need consistancy and quality

    Thoughts?
    I heartily agree. I'm not yet ready to say "Webb is hopeless, cut him" but I strongly believe he needs legit competition/pushing.

    99% chance is that OT competition won't come (directly anyway) from the draft or FA. Let's be honest--simply isn't gonna happen that way.

    It needs to come from within the roster and the most logical place is via CW as you stated. Drafting a starting-capable OG/C would give you 5-6 players to compete for 3 interior OL spots and backup positions, while moving CW back to OT.

    Either CW or Webb would make a capable backup OT (upgrade over Omiyale either way) and the winner starts at LT opposite Gabe. This is as obvious as having Bennett play flanker opposite Marshall and using Hester in the slot...which the team also needs to commit to. We will see if the coaching staff can stop being pig-headed and start thinking outside the box better.

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    Webb has all the tools to be a very good LT. I think most Bears fans are going to feel dumb when they see how much he improves this year. A lot of our younger players are going to look good this year with all the experience they gained last year. When its all said and done, we'll be swinging from Tice's nuts after seeing the finished product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadPapaBear View Post
    Webb has all the tools to be a very good LT. I think most Bears fans are going to feel dumb when they see how much he improves this year. A lot of our younger players are going to look good this year with all the experience they gained last year. When its all said and done, we'll be swinging from Tice's nuts after seeing the finished product.
    I wonder how Tice feels about. LOL
    I hope you are right about Webb & admire your faith or appreciate your insight whichever works. BBPB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BearJim View Post
    I wonder how Tice feels about. LOL
    I hope you are right about Webb & admire your faith or appreciate your insight whichever works. BBPB.
    Here's why I have the optimism that I do. Right from the horse's mouth my man:

    Mike Tice Says J'Marcus Webb Is Starting LT For Chicago Bears Moving Forward - SB Nation Chicago


    "I thought he was adequate. His consistency grade was actually solid. What grade was bad was the critical errors, the sacks, penalties...Well, if you're not always in the deep drops, if you're making sure the guy gets chip help from a back or a tight end and if you change the release point of the quarterback, you're going to make him better already without making him better."

    "And then you have an entire offseason (with) a chance to make him better there. He is a very good run blocker. Do I think he is a guy moving forward? Yes, I do unless some miracle happens and an elite first-round draft pick that we couldn't pass up fell in our lap, which I doubt. Yeah, he's our guy moving forward."


    If the Bears and Tice felt that Webb couldn't handle the LT spot, then they would have pulled the plug on this project. Its too important of a position to be playing around with every year. And the Bears do not seem like they are going to be drafting a tackle in RD 1, unless Emery has us all fooled. I have confidence that the kid will be much better with a full offseason, unlike last year.

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    Again, I hope Tice is on the money about Webb. The "I wonder how Tice feels about that" was a JK response to ball swinging. My thinking is Webb needs to get better or needs to go. Cutler is WAY to valuable to this team to not have an at the very least servicable LT. JMHO my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadPapaBear View Post
    Webb has all the tools to be a very good LT. I think most Bears fans are going to feel dumb when they see how much he improves this year. A lot of our younger players are going to look good this year with all the experience they gained last year. When its all said and done, we'll be swinging from Tice's nuts after seeing the finished product.
    I agree 100%.

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    My poor old buddy Dags incurred one of my mini rants about this so everything I have to say about Webb is said here.

    Originally Posted by Dagan81

    Tice is vastly overrated in my honest opinion. Anyone who wants to keep Webb in at LT after he failed miserably last year is just fucking crazy. Give me Bruce Matthews instead. He knows more about building solid offensive lines than anyone else.


    Oh for crap sake Webb is a 7th round draft pick whose had one year playing LT. You could ease up a little. Dags short of drafting guys like Kalil or Jake Long or Joe Thomas most LT prospects struggle learning LT. The Packers drafted Brian Bulaga in the first round to play LT and he couldn't take it away from an aging and injured Chad Clifton so the Pack hauled him back from the brink of retirement. Bulaga has even been slow to develop at RT and it would appear they've even given up on him at LT because they drafted Sherrod last year to play LT behind Clifton.

    Now some are saying that Reiff isn't rated even as highly as Bulaga was coming out and yet he's the #2 rated OT in this draft? Wouldn't we be taking just as big of a chance drafting him as the Pack did with Bulaga yet there are guys here who think we should trade up for him? About the only "sure thing" you can get in a rookie LT is the very top rated guy in the draft and even that's no guarantee. It just reduces the risk.

    If Webb shows no signs of improvement this year then maybe he flat old doesn't have the combination of things he needs to become a starting NFL LT but it usually takes 2-3 years for a rookie to learn to play LT at the NFL level. He's had one year there. CWill didn't get it either and he was also a LT at Vandy and even if we move Carimi he's gonna go through a learning curve too. Let's see how things progress at least in camp and preseason before shooting Tice and hanging Webb by the neck til dead.

    Mike Tice is one of the best line coaches in the NFL. We made an NFCC game with his line didn't we, with OMG at LT no less. Christ even Webb isn't that bad. If he sucked as a coach why do teams want to hire him away from us? We have no other options right now besides Webb and who is ever on the roster and it there's no immeciate help in FA or early in the draft that gives us any more assurance than we have with Webb and another year under his belt. Or should we see if we can find the next worst LT in the NFL and play him for a year?

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    Q Mitchel.....omyfail.....webb

    Some things they all have in common. They stink. A product of ja professional scouting. They stink. In ten years we have started three of the sorriest excuses of ot in bears history

    I know I'm wrong everyone is right sprinkle the fucking tice dust all over the place it worked last season derp

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    Quote Originally Posted by motownbear View Post
    Q Mitchel.....omyfail.....webb

    Some things they all have in common. They stink. A product of ja professional scouting. They stink. In ten years we have started three of the sorriest excuses of ot in bears history

    I know I'm wrong everyone is right sprinkle the fucking tice dust all over the place it worked last season derp
    Q Mitchell and OMG weren't Tice picks or protege's mo and I think Webb shows more promise than that. If Tice thinks he can make an NFL LT out of the kid I'll at least give him this summer to see what he can do in camp and preseason to improve of his screwups. Playing LT in a Mike Martz offense probably won't win you much pro-bowl recognition unless you're a future HOF'er named Pace.
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