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    Bears Looking to Avoid Players with Medical Issues...............

    Bears looking to avoid players with injury risk


    Chicago Bear Gabe Carimi was injured during a game against the Saints in 2011. (Scott Strazzante/Chicago Tribune / April 23, 2012)




    By Brad Biggs Tribune reporter 1:23 p.m. CDT, April 23, 2012


    Too often in the recent past for former Chicago Bears general manager Jerry Angelo, the team wound up with draft picks that had problematic medical histories.

    First-round pick Chris Williams was sidelined on the second day of training camp as a rookie in 2008 and required preseason surgery for a back condition that was documented during his college career. Angelo acknowledged right tackle Gabe Carimi came with a yellow flag last year when he was selected with the 29th overall pick. Carimi underwent two surgeries on his knee and is expected back at full strength.

    Wide receiver Mark Bradley, a second rounder in 2005 and defensive tackle Dusty Dvoracek, a third rounder in 2006, are other players who had checkered injury histories in college that translated into the NFL. Less than a year after the Bears drafted linebacker Marcus Freeman in the fifth round in 2009, he was diagnosed with a heart condition that wound up with him failing a physical, effectively ending his career.

    So, one challenge for Phil Emery is to avoid adding players to the fold who have durability concerns. Instead of calling them red or yellow flags, Emery said the team angles the player’s card on the draft board, and he explained the process.

    “Guys can get flagged for certain things,” he said. “We’ll go through a process where we might … we call them tilts and flips. We’ll tilt a player on the board, we’ll turn his card going south a little bit if they’re in that risk area. Usually we move those players to the right of the column. The players that are clean are to the left. We’ll flip them all the way over if the risk is too high, if their medical grade puts them in a situation where we feel the risk is too high, meaning we would not pick them. If they’re tilted, we’re going to have a lot of discussion before we would move forward with that player.”

    Concussions are part of the medical process. NFL teams are taking a close look at head injuries for players at the college level because of the scrutiny being paid to concussions.

    “That's part of our research,” Emery said. “Any time a head injury, knocked out of the game, headache, any of those words are used, we get it down in our injury incident report so that our physicians can follow up with the proper questions or proper screening and medical tests for that situation. The schools are very forthcoming but you always use that data that you've collected yourself and with interviews with a player.

    “Sometimes, players are much more revealing in the process leading up to the draft than they might even be with their school officials about issues such as concussions because they want to make sure they're forthcoming on everything and so you gather all of that information and you evaluate it and yes, we're very conscious of that as we are with any other injury.”

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    About time we had a system for identifying the guys with risks and separating them from the rest. Angelo's history in that regard was awful. Look at how many guys he drafted with problems and then put that alongside of those who just didn't measure up and you can see why we always seem to short the players we need to truly succeed.

    If Dusty Dvoracek could have stayed healthy we wouldn't be looking for another DT this year and both Carimi and Paea came with injury issues from college which we knew about before the draft. Maybe this year we just need to pass on that type of guy no matter how much upside he may have. If he can't play his here and now isn't even good enough let alone his upside.

    I thought the way Emery describes their system for identifying potential problem players with injury issues was interesting. When did we ever hear about such an approach from Angelo. All we ever got from him was an admission that the guy had a problem we knew about before we drafted him. I'll give him an out on Carmi since we actually lost him to an injury but CWill? Not only did we draft the guy way too high but he had a chronic back condition when we drafted him bad that he didn't even make it through camp his rookie year. Talk about a "reach". That was a "double reach".

    That's two OT's where we lost a year of their playing and development time due to injuries we knew about when we drafted them. I'm just glad to hear we seem to have it sorted out better now.
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    My question is that most players coming out of college spend time sitting out of games because of injuries. Does that automatically preclude them from seeing action with a team such as the Bears now that Emery is in charge?

    We needed a OT really badly last year, and everybody on this message board screamed for Gabe Carimi. Apparently, while he was playing at Wisconsin, he played with a dislocated knee at some point (or was this an occurrence in high school?). That being said, Carimi still had a productive career at Wisconsin and won the Outland Trophy as the best lineman in college football. I don't quite get this part where you basically put a flag on all the players who had sustained injuries (say what you want, but Emery is just giving the placement of "flags" a more elaborate designation) during their high school and college careers. I'm not saying that a team shouldn't draft a player who has had chronic injury problems like, say, Chris Williams, but I do believe that in the case of Carimi, his injuries were more of a situation of circumstance rather than a chronic issue.

    soul and mo, what do you think? Do I have a valid argument here?

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    I definitely don't mind if the players are crazy, like Vontaze Burfict, but yes sir let's steer clear of guys with serious college injuries.

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    I definitely don't mind if the players are crazy, like Vontaze Burfict, but yes sir let's steer clear of guys with serious college injuries.
    What about in the case of Carimi? Do you believe, as I do, that his dislocated knee history is more than likely circumstantial, or do you feel that he is injury prone and that he is potentially a wasted draft pick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagan81 View Post
    My question is that most players coming out of college spend time sitting out of games because of injuries. Does that automatically preclude them from seeing action with a team such as the Bears now that Emery is in charge?

    We needed a OT really badly last year, and everybody on this message board screamed for Gabe Carimi. Apparently, while he was playing at Wisconsin, he played with a dislocated knee at some point (or was this an occurrence in high school?). That being said, Carimi still had a productive career at Wisconsin and won the Outland Trophy as the best lineman in college football. I don't quite get this part where you basically put a flag on all the players who had sustained injuries (say what you want, but Emery is just giving the placement of "flags" a more elaborate designation) during their high school and college careers. I'm not saying that a team shouldn't draft a player who has had chronic injury problems like, say, Chris Williams, but I do believe that in the case of Carimi, his injuries were more of a situation of circumstance rather than a chronic issue.

    soul and mo, what do you think? Do I have a valid argument here?

    a football team is a billion dollar organization dags with a medical staff that rivals whatever us peons will ever use in our lifetimes. We look at players and unless it is a known fact as message board posters how the hell would we know about a serious injury a player isnt keeping in the for front? As a player I saw in Carimi someone who could be a ten year staple and still think he is that player if this injury is put behind him.

    now as for is it wrong to just right someone off cause he has an injury issue well it depends. Your first three picks should be taken serious they are your money picks and should expect someone who will make a difference to the team not just someone who sits out two years. Im not taking a high risk on a big injury in the first like we did with Williams. Its like Bower last year fell to the second round when medical teams saw he would need microfracture surgury on his knee. He was projected top five player until that note came out. IDK if that answers your question dags but there are too many good healthy players to settle on potential coming off serious health issues

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