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    Bears Could Have a Steal in Troy Left Tackle James Brown

    Bears could have a steal in Troy left tackle James Brown

    BY MARK POTASH AND SEAN JENSEN mpotash@suntimes.com sjensen@suntimes.com April 29, 2012 9:28PM

    Troy offensive lineman James Brown runs a drill at the NFL football scouting combine in Indianapolis, Saturday, Feb. 25, 2012. (AP Photo/Michael Conroy)


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    Updated: April 30, 2012 2:19AM


    The Bears didn’t use one of their draft picks on an offensive lineman, but they landed a player widely projected to be selected as high as the third round.
    James Brown was among the 11 undrafted players the Bears agreed to terms with Sunday, and ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. rated the Troy left tackle as the 54th-best prospect overall.
    Brown is 6-4 and 306 pounds with long arms, which is regarded as a prerequisite for an NFL offensive tackle. But there are concerns about his overall quickness and strength, and some teams believed he might be better suited as a guard.
    At the NFL Scouting Combine, Brown was open to playing any position on either side.
    “It doesn’t matter,” he said. “I just want to play football.”
    In high school, he played right tackle. But he starred at left tackle at Troy, starting 38 games.
    The scouting report on Brown in Pro Football Weekly’s draft guide highlights his footwork, arm length and his “fiery on-field temperament.” His negatives were mostly related to his technique. That isn’t a huge concern because Bears offensive coordinator Mike Tice is known as an excellent teacher.
    The Bears’ other undrafted free agents: Western Illinois wide receiver Terriun Crump, Wyoming running back Alvester Alexander, Old Dominion defensive tackle Ronnie Cameron, Louisiana Tech linebacker Adrien Cole, Maine safety Trevor Coston, West Texas A&M wide receiver Britton Golden, Albany offensive tackle A.J. Greene, Wayne State safety Jeremy Jones, Liberty wide receiver Chris Summers and Southern Mississippi linebacker Ronnie Thornton.

    Smith on McClellin
    Bears coach Lovie Smith said he has no concerns about first-round pick Shea McClellin’s ability to defend the run.
    “First off, you have to explain how a 6-3, 260-pound guy is going to have trouble doing that,” he said. “Weight is one of the most overrated things there is when you talk about football players. You talk about strength and athletic ability more than that.
    “We’re not a two-gap, hit-guys-right-down-the-middle [defense]. We don’t play that style of ball. We’re a get-on-the-edge, maintain-your-gap [defense]. A defensive end that is 6-3, 260 pounds can do that easily. So that is no concern at all. Shea, believe me, will be able to hold his own with the big boys that he is playing with.’’
    Meanwhile, Smith insisted that McClellin won’t be a linebacker for the Bears. Some projected him better suited to be an outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme who can rush the passer.
    “Where will [McClellin] play? He’s not a linebacker. Let’s start with that,’’ Smith said. “He’ll have his hand down in a three-point stance from day one, and he’ll be in the defensive line room. We can’t wait to get started with him.
    “We think he can be an excellent pass rusher in the league.”
    McClellin eventually could replace middle linebacker Brian Urlacher. But the Bears wouldn’t be inclined to admit anything now.

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    I sure hope so Dags. We need all the OL help we can get. Personally I was glad to see we signed him. I don't know alot about him other than what I have read. He's unrefined but he very athletic, has good size with room the grow. He's a battler (sp?) who was adopted & lost his adopted father last year. I'm pulling for the kid for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BearJim View Post
    I sure hope so Dags. We need all the OL help we can get. Personally I was glad to see we signed him. I don't know alot about him other than what I have read. He's unrefined but he very athletic, has good size with room the grow. He's a battler (sp?) who was adopted & lost his adopted father last year. I'm pulling for the kid for sure.
    I think he's got a good shot at making the final cut. He's going to be needed for depth, and if he was really originally supposed to be a mid-round pick, he will be a valuable addition to the team. Remember, this is the way we got Jay Hilgenberg back in the early 1980s.

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    Jesus, this UDFA/late round olinemen crap is annoying. Ya want real depth? Draft higher!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Burris View Post
    Jesus, this UDFA/late round olinemen crap is annoying. Ya want real depth? Draft higher!
    FYI, there are some very solid & really good UDFA/late round picks that happen to play O-line & start in the NFL:

    5th Round
    Chris Kuper
    David Diehl
    Carl Nicks
    Jared Gaither

    6th Round
    Matt Birk
    Chris Myers
    Barry Richardson

    7th Round
    Todd McClure
    Kyle Kosier
    Scott Wells
    Eugene Amano

    Undrafted
    Tyson Clabo
    Jeff Saturday
    Ryan Lilja
    Casey Weigmann
    Brian Waters
    Jason Peters
    Harvey Dahl

    In fact, if you go around and look at each team there is usually 1 starter that was a late round pick or an UDFA. It's not unusual for teams to develop late round picks (especially O-linemen) into starters. You could also go around and see plenty of early round busts along the O-line as well. It's a very difficult position to draft and with a great O-line coach in Tice it's not the worst idea in the world to try and maintain some stability & develop our own players. It may suck in the short-term, but it could pay off in the long run.

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    Great move imo

    Adds depth and gives us another guy for tice to develop

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bipolar Bear View Post
    FYI, there are some very solid & really good UDFA/late round picks that happen to play O-line & start in the NFL:

    5th Round
    Chris Kuper
    David Diehl
    Carl Nicks
    Jared Gaither

    6th Round
    Matt Birk
    Chris Myers
    Barry Richardson

    7th Round
    Todd McClure
    Kyle Kosier
    Scott Wells
    Eugene Amano

    Undrafted
    Tyson Clabo
    Jeff Saturday
    Ryan Lilja
    Casey Weigmann
    Brian Waters
    Jason Peters
    Harvey Dahl

    In fact, if you go around and look at each team there is usually 1 starter that was a late round pick or an UDFA. It's not unusual for teams to develop late round picks (especially O-linemen) into starters. You could also go around and see plenty of early round busts along the O-line as well. It's a very difficult position to draft and with a great O-line coach in Tice it's not the worst idea in the world to try and maintain some stability & develop our own players. It may suck in the short-term, but it could pay off in the long run.
    Great post BB. Some guys need to look at the players on this list who were UDFA's. One used to play from the Bears (Weigmann) and has often been compared to Hilgy since they both came out of Iowa as UDFA's. If he hadn't been on the same team as Olin Kruetz he may still be a Bear.

    At various times Clabo, Dahl, Lilja and Waters have all been mentioned as potential FA pickups for the Bears. All of these guys have been pro-bowl level performers at one time or another during their careers.

    So would someone please explain to me the reason why signing James Brown as an UDFA makes one slim bit of difference in comparison to drafting him from the 5th round on. I'd love to hear the logic behind that!

    There are over a half dozen guys on this list who have been pro-bowl or all-pro lineman and several guys many of us were "jonesing" for (Nicks, Clabo, Dahl, Gaither, Waters) last offseason or this.

    Along with our two former first round picks we've got a bunch of former 5th - 7th round picks and UDFA's on our roster so why is it so many think these guys have NO CHANCE of ever becoming good NFL lineman.
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